For me it's the "Men aren't allowed to have feelings!" whine.

Since fucking when? Every goddamn book I was required to read in lit class was written by a man about man-feelings. Every Oscar night celebrates the stories of men and their manly feelings. World history and current politics are 90% men's feelings and their poor decisions based thereon.

I have literally never known a man who actually repressed his feelings. I've known men who refused to ARTICULATE their feelings--you know, like a grown up--and instead expect women to read their minds and anticipate man-feelings at every turn. I've known men who DISPLACE their feelings, like by hurting everyone around them whenever they themselves feel hurt or sad. And I've known men who refuse to MANAGE their feelings, because emotional regulation is for the servant class not for the masters.

But I'm not convinced that men could even recognize "emotional repression." It's like how men don't even know what a makeup-free face looks like, and instead think that a face full of "natural" makeup is bare. They have no concept of how much artifice and effort goes into the default female behavior patterns, because they've never been expected to perform any similar work.

What's rich is when they use "the whine" to whine about how they want compliments.

"Oh, women always get compliments, they are so wanted. They are drowning in the ocean whilst we poor men are dying in the desert... :( "

I find this hilarious for a couple of reasons.

1. You have done nothing that deserved a compliment. You have never gone above and beyond in anything. Men who do more than the bare minimum get lots of compliments. What I hear from these losers is that doing the bare minimum and not being a trash human being is HARD and they deserve a compliment because they are capping their potential. Ha. Rich. Cry harder.

2. It's the easiest thing to solve. Compliment each other more. But no. They openly said to me that it doesn't feel the same- they want WOMEN to compliment them. Because they feel attractive and wanted when women do it- in other words they want the women to flirt aka "I want women to be attracted to me for my basic deeds" so they can justify their creeping as "I thought she was interested in me, bro? Why else would a woman compliment me. They never compliment meeeeee." Let me say, you are the reason that women learn to never compliment men at the age of 23

3. Men can only compliment to flirt to whom they are attracted to. They never really mean it. So that's why it's "gay" and "demeaning" to compliment other men. So they only ever think of complimenting young, thin, beautiful girls. They never think that older women, fat women, or ugly women ever get compliments because they never think of giving it to them... but they don't count, the only enviable women are the ones they are attracted to.

4. Last but not least, they think that sexual harassment and compliments are the same. That analogy of women drowning in them holds true- the water is not drinkable and there are things in the water that want and will kill us. Then they call use privileged whilst being the ones to knock us back when we try to get out.

edit: elaborating on some points after giving it some thoughts

I’ve been hearing this shit from other women lately and it’s driving me crazy. My mother-in-law actually told me that mass shootings are happening more and more because men aren’t allowed to be aggressive. IN WHAT UNIVERSE ARE MEN NOT ALLOWED TO BE AGGRESSIVE?!?! Ok it’s too earlier for me to get this worked up.

The Whine that's been getting under my skin the most lately is men complaining about how lonely it is to be a man and blaming 'society' (specifically women) for it. When look, a lot of our lifestyles aren't doing us any favors in the human contact department, and loneliness is pretty epidemic, but the degree to which women often have more of a social support network is because we build it, not because "society" hands it to us. I hear this particular Whine the most from men who are bad at being friends and then complain they don't have good friends, who burn bridges with everyone who gives them a chance by being shitty to them, etc. I see this Whine get posted publicly and watch many of our particularly naïve sisters flock to comfort the poor wounded puppy...and watch him either completely ignore their offered support, angrily lash out at them, or take it as an opportunity to try to get sexual with them.

You want people to care about you, value your company, support you, want to spend time with you, offer a shoulder to cry on when you need one? Then pull your heads out of your asses and be good to other people, dipshits. Be the friend you'd like to have, and be discerning in who you give the best of your friendship to. Be someone people like to be around, be supportive, offer help, kindness, and/or comfort when they need it without turning around and handing them a bill after the fact. Be there for your friends when they need it, not just when you feel like it and it's convenient for you. Bring more to the table than being a warm body to game with or drink with, being someone to crack mean-spirited jokes with, tolerating each other's worst behavior; find people you have more in common with than shared hate and resentment for the people who reject you. Take care of your hygiene and take care of yourself; don't make your every little problem your friends' problem, get a job and pay your bills before you spend your paycheck on fun shit you don't need, games, booze, weed. Create fun things for your friends and acquaintances to do, invite them, and prioritize making it a good time for them.

Nobody gives us the life you want and no one can, we make it. You really want it? Put in the work, develop the social skills, and actually give a damn about people beyond yourself and what you're getting out of them.

On a reddit post called “what are men not ready to hear” or something like that, there was a heavily downvoted comment saying that men are violent and dangerous. The replies were all men whining that women are just as violent because, apparently, emotional abuse is just as harmful as physical abuse. No, physical abuse is obviously more harmful, and it’s not like men don’t abuse emotionally as well.

Right? When someone posts about their mom physically abusing them, it doesn't even occur to me to comment, "NOT ALL MOMS ARE ABUSIVE, I'M A MOM AND I DON'T BEAT MY KID!!!!1111one"

You have to be a really insecure fucking asshole, or a perpetrator to do that

males: we need help! no one cares about our mental health!

women: okay so go to therapy

males: lol therapy is for pussies

Haha, I like it. Let me try it out:

Accountability for men's shitty values and behaviors is the only way they can grow out of their current depraved state as a sex class. Accountability hurts when you're used to being coddled. Let 'The Whine' fall on deaf ears as we strengthen our sisters to hold men accountable for their transgressions.

As much as they may need one, not every woman is their mommy.

Yep. My ex loudly proclaims he is a feminist and yet blames the demise of our relationship on feminism. Taking a page out of the Misogynist's Doublespeak Handbook.

When my own partner doesn’t know how to use his words like a big boy, gets defensive in arguments, has a big spat of anger for some reason that is either extremely superficial or he doesn’t have the words to express, I treat him like a toddler.

“Can you use your words ☺️😊?”

“I need you to stop throwing a temper tantrum and calm down”

Etc. It initially makes him more angry but then he apologizes which he doesn’t typically do, probably because men respond best to shame rather than discussion.

I’ve opted to use this for other things. All the men freaking out about black people in LOTR or the new Ariel—what insane temper tantrums over fictional series.

Men upset that women are in marvel series? “What a temper tantrum over superhero’s in capes.”

Online at least, this has them rage type back to me “YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN IT ISNT FANTASY ITS A (whateve) FOLKLORE PEOPLE ARE TAKING AWAY MY CULTURE ARIEL IS NOT A FISH SHES A HUMANOID CREATURE HALF FISH HALF HUMAN, I HAVE NOTHING LEFT IN MY LIFE BECAUSE MEDIA IS TAKING AWAY MY CULTURE . WHY ISNT PRETTY WARRIOR ELF MORE FEMININE I HATE AROMOR OR WOMEN WAAAAAAA”

I get a lot of pleasure out of those responses, and more importantly, people reading will see their initial comment was born out of childish immaturity And deep insecurity.

Yes JFC, coming up to just the centenary of suffrage for all women (ROI 2022) I've been getting it in the ear for the past month about important things like She-Hulk and Rings of Power 😠.

'Not the right transmission of powers☝🏼!'

So wait...she rescues him in a crash by being conscious enough to wriggle out of a car door first. That's ...your objection?

'She's stronger than him!'

Nope, neckbeard got it wrong....and how come she has an hourglass figure Robert crumb would climb like a tree and her hair straightens into a luxuriant..😏shag do? For what audience was SHILF canon adhered to? Quit moaning about movie adaptations for the women in your comics when we know they were literally only there as eye candy for teen boys!

'But Galadriel is a...🤮warrior. She's the most powerful being in Middle Earth!!'

who made magical things and sees the future....perhaps she got a little bored being ethereal in the woods.

'Elendil didn't have a sister who wanted to become an engineer 🙄**!'**

Tolkien canon said nothing about it 🤷‍♀️ ? and there's many a woman in history in STEM just you didn't hear about it. We were the first coders FFS!

I'm being lighter than the tone of the whole thread, but sick of the manosphere pushback on any advancement everywhere. Have been pointing out that diversity roles that allow 'identify as' are MRA moves for few years...and finally it's been noticed now the possibility exists of men being sidelined by other men in his firm 🙄

Don't forget the classic NAMALT....

If men have it worse, why is it that something like 80% of gender dysphoric people are females who wish they were male?

If men have it worse, why is it that despite this statistic we only ever talk and care about the 20%-ish of men who wish they were women - because they are men and therefore more important?

....If men have it worse, why is the entirely of human society constructed from the (straight) male point of view?

I may be a wino, but I don't want none of that whine.