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DiscussionDiscussion: Peter thatchel on Andrew Gold’s Heretics.
https://youtu.be/xFHUaoRQ8e4?si=w3MuzpRgin4HLH9V
This interview was painful to watch. I wish Andrew had the knowledge to fact check Peter on all the false stats that he presented, let alone him appealing to Simon de Beauvoir to make similarities between girls becoming women and trans identified womanhood.
I’m interested in knowing how you respond to the argument that studies have shown that trans women have brains that are similar to women?
Single sex bathrooms and denying trans women access to female bathrooms will harm trans men too.
What I got from the interview is that he has committed to being a TRA not because he believes in it but because he is already so deep in it that he feels like he can not back out.
I don’t know what twin studies he’s talking about, but my guess is that the genetic component is actually homosexuality. When one identical twin is homosexual, there’s a high chance that the other one is as well. It could be that they’re both gay, or would have been if they hadn't done HRT.
He said something about the brain structures, processes, and activations of trans people being more like their preferred gender identity. There are studies like that on gay men too, showing that their fear of men is closer to the level of fear that women have, which isn't necessarily innate either; it could be environmental. And there are studies showing that gay men's brains react to male and female pheromones in a similar way to straight women. But my response to that argument would be that it doesn’t matter whether it's true or not; they're still men.
Yes. If "gender identity" or "born in the wrong body" was a thing, homosexuality would have to be it.
Whenever they claim a physical/statistical manifestation of "trans", it's always homosexuality they're picking up.
Calling gay men "women in a man's body" and lesbians "men in a woman's body" would make a certain sort of sense. Regressive and not at all helpful to either them or anyone else, but at least not mind-bogglingly illogical, and it has a grain of truth behind it. You can at least see what it's trying to say.
But to claim there's some other totally imperceptible thing that make you "in the wrong body", ignoring sexuality, such that you can have a man claiming to be a "lesbian", is batshit. You're ignoring the clearly "male inner essence" - being attracted to women - but saying there's something else underneath.
It's like looking 3 layers down in a Russian doll, insisting you're going to ignore the top two layers - that a claimed hidden third layer is what's important. Despite it not affecting or being perceptible to anyone else.
(From all my observations, homosexual TIMs act just like gay men, and heterosexual TIMs act just like straight men. I can perceive a straight/gay difference, I can't perceive a trans difference. Apart from personality disorders now clustering there, but that's people like that taking an opportunity.)