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DiscussionLegislation vs. Medical Standards
I have been pondering this a while and I think that I am against legislation that would restrict "gender affirming care". Not because I support the treatments, but because I prefer to see politicians stay out of health care. I don't want them restricting abortion or birth control because they don't know what they are doing.
The problem with all medical treatment for transgender people is that it is based on very poor science. It doesn't treat their underlying problems of disphoria (although many don't even have disphoria).
The medical establishment has used WPATH for expert standard setting and they are too biased. The plastic surgery association has come out against these surgeries for minors. I think that as more studies and reviews are published and as more lawsuits are filed by detransitioners insurance companies will stop paying for it. It shouldn't be considered "Necessary Medical Care". Lobotomy went out because the medical establishment figured out it was wrong, not because of legislation.
I will add that I think that legislation is entirely appropriate when it comes to women's sports, private spaces, prisons, etc.
Maybe my ideas are full of cognitive dissonance, I don't know. I am willing to change my mind.
Edited to add line about '"necessary medical care"
Edited after reading comments: Thank you all for your thoughtful comments. One thing I considered while typing the original post was Female Genital Mutilation. FGM is a horrific practice. No one considers it medically necessary. I would never object to it being outlawed. I suppose we could find some bad actors who are willing to do it. So my thinking has changed somewhat, in that I don't object to legislation banning "gender affirming care". But I still believe the best way forward is for the medical establishment to see the light (Cass Review, etc.). Because until that happens we are going to have this patchwork of states. In some it will be outlawed while others will be "trans sanctuary" states.
LGB Alliance is a UK org so I’m unclear on what they’re supposed to do about laws in an American state? Same for Joyce (who is Irish.)
and he’s blocked anyone in the US who as so much as politely disagreed with him. So yeah. Nice cherry picking bro 🍒
Radical Feminist ≠ Gender Critical dumbass. That's why.
Ehhhh.... I dunno, I don't think most people who aren't radical feminists or their allies are actually gender critical. More like transgender critical.
Maybe if gender ideologists hadn't overtaken feminist institutions, actual feminists could focus on women's reproductive rights. Currently, anyone who cares about women's rights is busy trying to make sure that the US government recognizes exactly what "female" means.
He’s like “they’re just mad about the pregnant people terms!!”
Um.. yeah. Because it’s a fucking waste of time while women and girls suffer. It’s a distraction from real work on abortion and allows men like you to act like this has any impact on you and force-teams your issues with real women’s problems. It’s the reason the organizations I worked for are wringing their hangs and wasting energy writing press releases that won’t offend the genderspecials. It’s not the ONLY thing I’m mad at. But it shows how idpol and men in dresses have overtaken things that used to be useful to women
Meanwhile, TiMs continue to have no actual rights to lose in this battle.
Well he obviously hasn't lurked Ovarit before because there are a ton of posts here about Texas just within the past 24 hours.
He would also see his face on /itsafetish so I see why he avoids it
Aaron, the sundress man. Well, get in line, bro. You’re not the only dude who likes looking at women in sundresses.
Weirdly here I am at Grand Terven Central and I see multiple posts and big discussion about Texas. Maybe Erin Sundresses Mom (vomit) doesn't know that the terves are largely banned from Twitter so they don't GATHER there.
It's amazing how, when you systemically shove a group out of the public discourse, they struggle to make themselves heard even on the points of agreement.
“Faux women’s advocacy”? Be quiet male.
I care about women’s reproductive rights but I can’t really do anything for American women. I also don’t think it is a fight that will be fought on Twitter.
Could say the same about TiMs though? 😂 Why are they silent if they're "women" like they claim? Dumbasses
They should be FIRST at the frontlines of supporting other women in this regard! FIRST! They're the ones with the baseball bats.
So far I've seen TRAs crying about how people need to remember it's not just women who are affected by abortion and to please use inclusive language or it's transphobic! So making it about themselves instead of caring about the issue as per usual.
Most actual TERFs have been bullied off of twitter, so not sure what this ass clown is saying.
Sounds like he's unintentionally admitting it's a WOMEN'S issue if he thinks "terfs" should be focusing on it.
Erin: Abigail Shrier isn’t a radfem. It’s pretty clear in her excellent, well-researched book that she is clearly not coming from a radfem perspective, even if we all agree that transing kids is horrific and wrong.
She’s a woman who says NO to your delusions. And that’s all that terfs are to these men. Women who say NO. I’m plenty mad and I don’t need your Twitter approval