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DiscussionAnother opinion on why GC feminists get so much vilification
Posted February 3, 2025 by Womanwithopinions in GenderCritical

There was a post a couple days ago about why women's refusal to accommodate trans-identified males gets such a visceral reaction. The post made the point that ultimately, it's about women having boundaries and saying no. This is unacceptable to many men, and many women, too.

I agree with the post but I also wanted to share another perspective, or an extension of the reasoning behind that.

Before we look at the phenomenon of leftist women saying no, we need to acknowledge a fact that is seldom discussed:

Women are more important than men to human survival and wellbeing.

While I love multiple men, and desire them sexually and psychologically, and find some to have great principle and be admirable, while I find some women despicable, and I generally am irritated by the self-defeating attitudes of many women, the fact remains that women as a collective are more important than men as a collective. We are more necessary, while they are almost an afterthought in terms of their importance to genetic diversity and perhaps the emotional and psychological/spiritual needs in human life.

While men play a critical role in reproduction (insemination), the reality is that women are far more important for gestation and child-rearing. Here are a list of ways:

Women need to gestate the fetus

This is a labor-intensive process taking almost a year. Women need to stay reasonably healthy during that time, take care of themselves as best as possible. Women also need to choose not to excrete the fetus. It's true that abortion after it takes a deep root after a month or two or three, but some will be successful if they try. Since women had the mental capacity to do so, we have been choosing when to keep pregnancies and passing that knowledge on to our daughters. Men (and sadly, some women, I'm sure) have interrupted the passing on of knowledge not because they care about children but because they hate that despite male physical strength and male-oriented monopolies in the political, religious, and economic spheres, women have these life-giving powers.

Women need to feed the child from their bodies

In the modern world, formula is a lifesaver, but in the past, especially in cultures without lower-status women or domesticated animals to exploit, a child would likely die without this. A man can't do this, you NEED a woman. And a woman has to CHOOSE to do it. Even when formula or exploited women and non-human animals are available, a mother's breastmilk is still usually best for her child due to tailor-made antibodies.

Women need to raise the child

This is an ongoing and complex process that will take at least 15 years or so. And critically, IT INVOLVES BOTH PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL COMPONENTS. A woman must feed a child, guard it, teach it slowly how to defend itself as it grows, keep it occupied when it works, etc...

A woman must also love and bond with her child. WOMEN'S EMOTIONAL LABOR IS CRITICAL TO SURVIVAL. Children are generally hardwired to love and need nurturance. They NEED love and connection. It's not enough just to feed them or teach them. While a child may keep breathing without love, touch, and nurturing, they will not be psychologically well and I suspect their lifespan is likely to be short. They may also cause severe harm to those around them if they develop psychopathic traits, which was shown among some Romanian orphans raised in similar situations. Love and connection are not always guarantees against this, and psychopathic children can still develop despite receiving love and nurturing, but at least there's a much better chance of avoiding that with love and nurturing present.

So these are the foundations of life. And they involve intensive physical AND emotional components. BOTH are necessary. And BOTH are performed first and foremost by women. This means that men NEED women in a way that women simply don't, and never will, need men. Yes, a male child will grow and eventually be physically stronger than his mother, and likely have more status in the world (even in Western culture, he's listened to more at the doctor's office than a woman and is likely to make better pay and have his expertise questioned less). But there is a point in every man's life where he was utterly dependent on his mother's say so. Even the processes which make him up, which bring him to adulthood, and shape his mind, his thinking processes, his immune system, his prospects and likelihood of success in life, are based on her choices and her say so.

So what happens when women say NO?

That is terrifying to men. And it's also terrifying to women. Because both sexes understand women are necessary in a way men aren't. But they don't give the respect that is due. They understand women are necessary in a way they understand the earth is necessary. They understand that a healthy landscape is important to have health, but they still pollute. They understand that air travel and highly energy-intensive lifestyles are causing harm, but they still take the flights and think about the world they're "entitled" to.

A large part of this is based on competitive dynamics. If one group is doing it, even if you want to avoid it, the only result is that you'll be outcompeted, enslaved, or annihilated if you don't do the same. A really good example of this is what played out in the Americas between Native Americans and Europeans. Jarrod Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel" gives more details on this. It's also why matriarchal cultures have slowly been subsumed by patriarchal ones.

And a large part of these competitive dynamics are, I suspect, based on male entitlement, risk-taking, and selfishness. I think a lot of men are sort of neutral. They are influenced by their environment. But there are those who are going to rise as agents/leaders which sway most men, and women too. Because we are a hierarchical species, for better or worse. I suspect this is pronounced in male-dominated human societies, but it's still a factor regardless.

So it's up to women to be less violent. To have pity. To call for ceasefire instead of blood. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. But people mostly expect women to do it. It's up to women do the volunteer work that keeps our most marginalized individuals in a given society from starving to death or being left to slowly rot and die. It's up to fucking prepubescent and teenage girls to be ambassadors to male immigrants/refugees, because girls are "nice" and "easy" and nonthreatening. It's up to women take their time and volunteer in churches to make sure that festivals are nice and beautiful and full of delicious food. And that they happen in the first place. It's up to women to organize secular events to foster community.

Because men aren't fucking doing it.

Even in the contemporary matriarchal cultures I've read about, it seems women are STILL doing most of the work. It's not a world where men have equal chores or anything like that.

And women and men KNOW men aren't doing it. They KNOW that to have a world that isn't a hellscape, women need to be working to make it happen. They KNOW that relying on men to do it is, sadly, a futile hope that will bring only disaster and suffering. Even men who try (and there are men who do) seem to lack the loving, warm touch that women provide.

So again, what happens when women say NO?

That's like telling a heroin addict that the heroin is saying, NO.

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN, "NO," you @#$%^?!!!!

How dare you?! What kind of evil $%^& says NO at a time like this?!?!

43 comments

[Deleted]December 16, 2023

Do regular inmates get their cosmetic surgeries paid for? Or is just to "validate" the mentally-ill. Also, look at those numbers. 4 MILLION dollars for 157 people.

I remember when Trump banned trans people from getting surgeries covered by the military, and all these idiots were showing a screenshot of charts of "how little it is compared to other military spending." Not taking into account that the tiny amount of people spending that much of the military's budget was way too much. Can you imagine if every service member took up that much of the budget?

No one ever spends this much on any other group of people.

DietCokeAddictDecember 16, 2023

Could be even fewer than 157 people - those are the number of surgical procedures, not the number of patients who’ve had one (or more).

Also, is it a bit strange that trans people are 0.5% of the California general population but 2% of its prison population? Thats about 4 times as many trans prisoners as you would expect.

(Sources: California trans population 0.49%, California prison population 92k, of which trans prisoners) 1.8k)

MegasaurusDecember 16, 2023(Edited December 16, 2023)

Also, is it a bit strange that trans people are 0.5% of the California general population but 2% of its prison population? Thats about 4 times as many trans prisoners as you would expect.>

We’re not supposed to notice that. If we insist on noticing inconvenient facts like these, we at least need to blame it on transphobia.

We especially aren’t supposed to notice that they’re disproportionately sex offenders, even before the current trans madness: https://cpb-us-e2.wpmucdn.com/sites.uci.edu/dist/0/1149/files/2013/06/A-Demographic-Assessment-of-Transgender-Inmates-in-Mens-Prisons.pdf

LadylucyDecember 18, 2023

According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, 49 percent of the transgender prisoners have been convicted for sex crimes.

ProxyMusicDecember 18, 2023

Just to be clear: the BOP figures aren't for "transgender prisoners" in the USA, thy're for transgender-identifed male prisoners in federal custody for convictions on federal crimes. So they've been investigated for crimes by arms of the US federal government such as the FBI and Secret Service; they've been prosecuted by US attorneys working for the US Department of Justice, and they've been tried and convicted in federal court overseen by federal judges.

Federal prisoners in BOP custody make up less than 10% of the total prison population in the USA. Most criminals in the US are in state, county and local jails and prisons doing time due to being convicted on state and local charge by state and local authorities.

awake1000December 17, 2023

that is a great point! why is the "trans" population so prone to criminality?

WrongToyDecember 17, 2023

Only one of these procedures is for ftm, double mastectomy. It counts for about a million dollars.

Implants, facial fem, laser hair and fake vaginas are all mtf,

[Deleted]December 16, 2023

That's such a good point, you're right. It could have been fewer people with multiple procedures - which makes it even worse.

And yes, that's such a good point! Thank you for those stats. Either they're identifying more in jail, or trans are more likely to go to jail. Either one doesn't make them look good.

pennygadgetDecember 16, 2023

Thank you for getting those numbers

WrennDecember 16, 2023

They don’t cover medically necessary drugs or procedures half the time

WrongToyDecember 16, 2023

They don’t cover breast reductions that cause back problems. You have to identify after which you might get them cut off.

[Deleted]December 16, 2023

Of course not...getting something done for women that's an actual medical problem comes last. Clown world.

pennygadgetDecember 16, 2023

Not taking into account that the tiny amount of people spending that much of the military's budget was way too much. Can you imagine if every service member took up that much of the budget?

This is such a good point. It doesn't matter if this money is a drop in the bucket compared to all other prison & military spending. Its still unfair that such a small amount of people get paid out millions for COSMETIC surgeries when there are veterans and inmates who can't get necessary health care. And allowing in more trans people just means more money gets wasted.

Rude_And_TattooedDecember 17, 2023(Edited December 17, 2023)

I'm a type 1 diabetic in the US. Absolutely none of my necessary medical supplies are covered 100% by any insurance option available to me. The "best" insurances have the highest monthly premiums and deductibles that continue to rise each year.

And then this. I am beyond disgusted by this radical, tyrannical movement and the lengths to which the government ensures they are protected at all costs... But the only cost is to us taxpayers.

pennygadgetDecember 17, 2023

My dad is diabetic and also requires ostomy supplies. Medicare barely pays for what he needs. But my tax dollars go to THIS bullshit

LumosDecember 16, 2023

How many prisoners are suffering from untreated medical problems? How many have died?

How many have painful rotten teeth?

How many women don’t have enough menstrual supplies?

But sure, we have the money for cosmetic surgeries with HIGH complication rates.

LizardQDecember 16, 2023(Edited December 16, 2023)

It just proves to me that a segment of the medical industry is happy to have these people to do their gruesome experimental research on, and they'll go to great effort to lobby for it.

Iota_AurigaeDecember 16, 2023

Okay, maybe I’m banking on exposing my city here, but fuck it, it’s fairly big anyway:

We a rather large homeless encampment here. It’s by a river, right alongside a bike path. I biked through that area a year ago not knowing exactly where the encampment was, and I was surprised at just how big it was. The encampment is so big that it comes up near a playground. Not exactly a stone’s throw, but not far by any means, either.

This past fall I visited an area with a different encampment alongside a different river + trail. This one was in the vicinity of a couple of heritage parks, an outdoor museum, and a children’s park.

Visitors to these areas would definitely feel put off by the sheer amount of homeless people, especially in the vicinity of kids.

I’ve seen neighborhoods where there are “NO TINY HOMES NEXT TO X SCHOOL/Y LIBRARY/Z PARK” signs in everyone’s lawns. They’re trying to fix the issue by building small houses for the homeless, but continually decide that they should put them in the worst possible locations. Meanwhile, rent in the Bay Area is insanity. Gee, I wonder if that could be contributing to anything!

I hear it’s worse in San Francisco. No, it is worse there. I almost stepped in human feces on the sidewalk there years ago. I’ve seen their drug epidemic on the news before. I have no idea what it’s like in the rest of the state.

My point is: that is four million dollars that could have alleviated the homeless epidemic our leaders complain about, right down the drain. Instead of making a small minority of people maybe happy for a little while, that money could have gone towards some of the most disadvantaged people in our society.

I think there will probably be non-Californians in this thread talking about the homelessness crisis here, and for anyone who’s skeptical, I’m coming to you straight from the metropolitan part of the state to say: yes, it is as bad as people say it is.

And instead of doing something about it, like, I don’t know, allocating $4,000,000 to alleviate this issue, they’ve tossed it down the shitter.

readfreakDecember 18, 2023

It is because CA Pols are a bunch of grifters. You cannot even build an outdoor bathroom near the homeless without it costing millions of dollars. And that is just for a steel toilet, sink, and enclosure. I live in a small Northern CA town and we have a ton of homeless here. And the homeless activists in CA don't want any change and don't seem to want to see these people housed. To get anything done or built in CA you have to go through a ton of city planners and every one of them will cost money. Everyone wants a kickback.

[Deleted]December 17, 2023

From the description alone I thought you were talking about 2 cities in WA.

Iota_AurigaeDecember 17, 2023

Lol, I guess I don’t have to worry about some deranged hate reader TRA finding my location then

pennygadgetDecember 17, 2023

Your comment about the "no tiny home" signs reminds me of this story out if Los Angeles

Sadly, there is a lot of money in keeping the homeless problem going. Shady non-profits and government programs don't want this problem to be solved

pennygadgetDecember 17, 2023

Sadly, your description fits a LOT of cities.

[Deleted]December 16, 2023

All of this needs to be ended. No more funding these surgeries at taxpayer's expense.

littleowl12December 16, 2023

Imagine what that money could have done for impoverished kids, getting free tutoring to catch them up to their peers.

For "boobies."

pennygadgetDecember 16, 2023

Or, since we're talking about prison spending, a program to help them learn a trade and reintegrate into society upon release.

KaboodleDecember 17, 2023

Money well spent! To take a bunch of hideous violent males and transform them into stunning and brave hideous violent males!

CataclysmicDecember 16, 2023

Honestly, I’d be fine with it as long as it’s only given to violent male offenders and the only surgery they allow is one where they cut off their dick.

PtarmagantDecember 16, 2023(Edited December 16, 2023)

And testicles. Package deal, so to speak.

DonnaFeminaDecember 17, 2023

What an absolute waste. Can you imagine if they'd spent that much money on domestic violence shelters, or college scholarships for single moms, or virtually any other thing that helps women? I mean can you imagine how much better things would be? Instead they wasted it helping prisoners with their kinks. Insanity.

hellamomzillaDecember 16, 2023

Stop, California. You’re high.

WhichWitchAmIDecember 17, 2023

Hope the woman running against Scott Weiner has access to this information.

pennygadgetDecember 17, 2023

I hope she's on Ovarit

PinkPeoniesInTheRainDecember 17, 2023

Given that she's described as:

a soon-to-be 26-year-old queer woman of color with roots in community activism

She probably doesn't think $4M is enough. 🙄

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article245835895.html

StealthRadfemDecember 17, 2023(Edited December 17, 2023)

There are two women running against Weiner and this is the reality-based female candidate:

https://www.cynthia4senate.org/

She seems pretty awesome. https://twitter.com/cynthia4senate/status/1727794501044117560

PinkPeoniesInTheRainDecember 17, 2023

There are two women running against Weiner and this is the reality-based female candidate:

Good to know there's a sane person running -- thanks!

[Deleted]December 16, 2023

Are any of them women who’ve received fake penis surgery?

WrongToyDecember 16, 2023

Not a damn one. Double mastectomies, however, is the most common one

DietCokeAddictDecember 16, 2023

According to the breakdown, no, but there were 40 double mastectomies

WrongToyDecember 17, 2023

The surgery tally doesn’t even include meds or the complications thereof. We all know Buck Angel’s uterus, ovaries, etc fused and had to be removed.

Who pays for that?

awake1000December 17, 2023

I am gobsmacked!!!

AnnieBanannyDecember 17, 2023(Edited December 17, 2023)

Prisoner- I’m a lady I need facial feminization

California- awesome we will pay for this hooray for your bravery

Prisoner with a new face- haha I’m definitely not using this new face to commit more crimes or anything lol

IggyanaDecember 17, 2023

Some of these men are on death row. They're spending 💰 on men who will never get out of prison.