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DiscussionWhat is Going Through These Parents’ Heads?
Posted February 22, 2025 by IronicWolf in GenderCritical

See link to Reddit post.

Son is violent, disturbed, has learning difficulties and has autism. He’s also decided that he wants to be a girl and a trigger for violent outbursts is people seeing he’s a teenage boy. What ever can have been going through the head of the poster (who I think is the mother) that they think this child can decide he’s a girl and to go along with it? The parent already does not have control of the child and lives in fear of his attacking a member of the public.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/s/zo0AQg4rZ0

30 comments

MignonetteFebruary 22, 2025

In another reddit post of hers she describes how her son wants to touch her breasts and gets really touchy in ways she is sure are sexual in nature. She also admits to hiding in her bedroom for some space.

My interpretation is that she's simply terrified of her son. He's mentally disabled, lacks impulse control, gets violent, and has somehow developed a paraphilia (or several). This poor single mother weighs 105lbs, has an ED and a chronic illness. She stands zero chance if he becomes violent with her. She might even have convinced herself that his being trans is the explanation for his continued attempts to touch her.

As there appears to be a carer involved now one can only hope they realise the danger this woman is in. This situstion is more than she can realistically be expected to handle.

ocelot🐆February 22, 2025

The son's father was also abusive (domestic violence) and doesn't help enough. My heart goes out to her.

ItsJustaNameFebruary 22, 2025

She is autistic herself and seems to have multiple serious health issues.

MarthaMMCFebruary 23, 2025

This is why there needs to be residential, more restricted care for people who are violent. Their families are often afraid of them & in danger from them.

norravargFebruary 22, 2025

Also, euurgghh, talking about her son as her "daughter" is totally obscuring the serious physical danger the mother is in. :/

Whhhhhere did he even get ideas about trans, if he's academically a 7-year old??? How mysterious.

lostinthesaucepanFebruary 22, 2025

Maybe they thought throwing estrogen at the problem would force him to calm down because he'd be castrated.

SrfthrowawayFebruary 22, 2025

A few years ago a whole contingent of "experts" was pushing Lupron as a "treatment" for autism. I wonder if this is like that. Trying to castrate him to make him less dangerous.

LillithFebruary 23, 2025

Lupron for autism was a thing!? That is wild...but tbh, for uncontrollable adolescent boys (often raised by single moms) it actually does make some sense.

Mandy202February 22, 2025

How could they encourage him in a belief that will, by her account, inevitably lead to him assaulting someone? It seems he cannot make himself understood, so how is anyone supposed to know he prefers she/her pronouns? And how can someone profoundly autistic, with the intellectual development of a 7 year old, even understand what "transgender" means?

norravargFebruary 22, 2025

Honestly, how concerning. Where on earth did he even get ideas about this??

ocelot🐆February 22, 2025

Wonder if the father is behind some of it.

From her post history, he was a domestic violence abuser and still gets time with the son.

hard_headed_womanFebruary 22, 2025(Edited February 22, 2025)

So, let's assume he grows up to be 5'9", 170 pounds and probably strong as an ox. Where is this young man going to be housed when his mother can no longer control him?

norravargFebruary 22, 2025

I find this to be so terrifying for mothers. What do you actually do when you can't control your own kid and are at risk of being beaten up by your son? Now that autism is a "spectrum" (and I'll put up front, I'm no expert here at all), it seems like two things (lower-functioning, higher-functioning) are being grouped together and treated as "social awkwardness" and "social blindness" and it's not much of a big deal, and autism isn't a disability, it's just neurodivergent but like...

what about these folks? This young man isn't just quirky "neurodivergent", it's not just something that can be helped with a little open-mindedness and a pro-autism t-shirt. This whole mother's life is now upsidedown dealing with a child with violent outbursts who is already much stronger than she is.

Is there a benefit to grouping what used to be autism and Asperger's onto a spectrum?

MarthaMMCFebruary 25, 2025

That is a big problem for families whose kids are violent. There used to be public institutions for violent mentally ill people. But between Reagan shutting down the public, residential institutions-they cost a lot of money-& rights advocates who did rightly point out the abuses & also wanted everyone de-institutionalized, there was no allowance for keeping some better run places where people who truly needed it for their own safety & the safety of others, could live decently but restricted from harm.

jelliknightFebruary 23, 2025

Is there a benefit to grouping what used to be autism and Asperger's onto a spectrum?

Not in reality, but I think several sort of "perceptive" interests have aligned;

  1. Euphemistic treadmill. No one wants "severe" anything, or for someone they love to have it. Just like we moved away from "spastic" and "retarded", even though those are perfectly good words that accurately describe a situation, we are moving away from using concepts like "severely autistic" and instead encouraged to think of it as a becautiful rainbow of individuals. This temporarily feels better for some of the affected people, especially parents of severely autistic kids. If your non-verbal kid has a disorder that rocket scientists can have, its less upsetting.

  2. Malingerers benefit from having mild social awkwardness grouped with severe mental disabilities. If you just have aspergers you will be expected to figure out how to cope, whereas if you have "autism spectrum disorder" no one knows whether a loud noise will make you just flinch a bit or start shitting your pants and screaming. There's no expectation to cope/adapt or 'mask'. The barrier for entry into this category is low, and the potential severity is high, so theres a huge pay off if you want a "get out of everything forever" card.

  3. Its a way for people of privilege to virture signal, building on the first two points. Look at meeee im such a good person I think you should have a full time support worker for your social awkwardness and your non-verbal teen is totally just like all these scientists and inventors!

The only people who couldve fought to keep the aspergers label are the families of autistic kids, who are obviously busy, and the aspies themselves, who would inherantly struggle with that sort of activism.

hard_headed_womanFebruary 22, 2025(Edited February 22, 2025)

There is absolutely no benefit from what I can see.

One of my neighbors has children with autism. One will be socially awkward but will likely be able to support himself since he seems to be of average intelligence (at least), while the other is a teenager who probably says about 10 words a day and appears quite intellectually delayed. Thankfully he doesn't appear violent at all.

Medusa91February 22, 2025

There’s a big push from autism activists to completely remove any kind of spectrum, that if you have autism that’s it. It makes it very difficult because it muddies the water with how much someone struggles - it’s also stopped the pushing of people who are living with autism who are capible of learning and there’s more and more pre pressure put on services to accommodate people who have the ability to do things themselves who don’t want to.

The poster above you asked about housing and basically it’s really difficult in these situations. He will most likely end up in some kind of shared/ supported living environment (which is essentially a group home but called something different when we’re talking about adults like this man because it effects them their whole lives) and usually you try to match people up so they foster a bit of a community and are more likely to get along. Generally there is work with some kind of positive behaviour support team and phychologists to identify triggers that cause violent outbursts and staff should be trained to minimise this. If it’s really bad and they’re overly triggered by other people they might try independant living but that varies on how successful it is, if they have learning disabilities you have to consider other aspects like how well they can maintain a tenancy and do they understand what will happen if they don’t pay the bills, they might need to have someone manage their money for them.

There’s a lot of autism activists who are self diagnosed or on the milder side of the autism diagnosis scale. I think they get frustrated that they’re not seen as being “truly autistic”. People who experience it in a milder manner should have appropriate accommodations made for them in my opinion to allow them to live normal lives and engage in public life

AmareldysFebruary 22, 2025

Why? I mean autism goes from slightly awkward and quirky and bad at reading people, to like smearing shit on the walls. That seems pretty drastically different to me.

Medusa91February 22, 2025

I’m assuming from big doners to the various charities etc but the truth is I don’t really know

I think it does both groups a big disservice

norravargFebruary 22, 2025

Yeah I feel like when people say 'autism' now, what first comes to mind is the milder, Asperger's variety, like the people who own the cafe near me and advertise it as "neurospicy owned" and that seems to really do no service to families who are having to figure out how to live with a struggle like this one. Seems incredibly difficult all around.

DurableBookFebruary 22, 2025(Edited February 22, 2025)

I honestly don't know how to feel about it.

I've got a kid with an ASD diagnosis. Having that diagnosis opened up so many services and supports for us, and absolutely benefited my kid in many ways. For the first few years of public school, my kid had access to the Special Ed team and their classroom, and I have nothing but great things to say about them and that experience.

But at this point my kid doesn't even qualify for an IEP because there simply are no deficits that would require one. We do not struggle in any way due to my child's ASD. I've got a bright, funny, engaging child who makes good friends and does well in school.

It feels weird to use the same terminology to talk about my kid as we would use for kids who are non-verbal and still needing diapers in grade school. Yes, many disorders have a spectrum of severity, but at a certain point it's practical to have a cutoff of terminology because the real-world impacts are so different.

OpalsFebruary 22, 2025

It was helpful, yes. I don’t know who wanted it all categorised as the same thing in the DSM

lskiFebruary 22, 2025(Edited February 22, 2025)

Honestly, given how very similar that is to a recent query about what would happen to a teenager with similar diagnoses and presentation (just without the trans element, which I suspect was added this time as the mods of that community are pro trans and the author wants to see if that changes the responses) I think that's more of a troll post.

Edit- although looking at the poster's history, maybe not. Strange how similar this post is to the recent one though.

That said, a lot of parents of children with these presentations do go along with the trans crap. Probably because they're fucking exhausted and terrified and all the services that are supposed to help encourage them to accept the gender woo and it's hard to battle on yet another front. I've met couples who are split over their disagreement in this and the one who rejects the trans is always seen as the problem who likely causes most of their child's issues by not accepting them.

It's not so much 'what are these parents thinking' as 'what are the services thinking and doing and making parents do?!' for me.

Medusa91February 22, 2025

This. If this young man has developmental delays or learning disabilities and quite severe autism he’ll be having a lot of specialist input

Autism organisations and charities in the UK are COMPLETELY captured by trans ideology. The last autism training I had was for a whole day, we spent the first 30ish mins talking about neurodiversity and how autism is diagnosed and the REST OF THE DAY discussing how autism is now identity lead, lots of talk around identity and self diagnosis and an interview with a TIF who was diagnosed as autistic in her 40s. This was training for health professionals and social services including both children’s and adults.

So I think that even if parents don’t believe and want to challenge the trans identity has completely captured autism spaces and places that train other professionals. They will be gas lit and pushed back on from all professionals. Even as a professional it’s very hard to challenge.

stickyleavesFebruary 23, 2025

I did an autism professional training day and the example diagnostic video interview they showed of a woman with autism was a nerdy socially awkward late teens QwEeR whose “special interest” was “tv shows, like Sherlock and Supernatural”. No questions about her online habits and how much time she was spending on line. Completely affirming. This was meant to be an example of a good diagnostic assessment.

They clearly thought they were showcasing diversity, when they were really just showing arrested development thanks to a raging Tumblr addiction. No doubt there’s a sizeable amount of tumblarinas with some sort of (milder) form of autism I’m not denying that, but for a supposedly gold standard example of a “psychosocial assessment” it certainly left out a whole lot of important context about this young woman’s influences.

drdeeisbackKabbalist BarbieFebruary 22, 2025

Wow, thanks for the report from the actual professionals. This is scary.

norravargFebruary 22, 2025

Urgh, this is awful. Thank you for the insight

SarahWilliams_13February 22, 2025

Yup. Many stories where the parent who wants to wait, seek therapy, etc is completely pushed out, they divorce and the child goes to live with the parent that lets them do what they want and facilitates this madness further.

ThelnebriatiFebruary 22, 2025

Pathological altruism?

Examples given include depression and burnout seen in healthcare professionals, an unhealthy focus on others to the detriment of one's own needs, hoarding of animals, and ineffective philanthropic and social programs that ultimately worsen the situations they are meant to aid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_Altruism

pathological altruism, in the form of an unhealthy focus on others to the detriment of one’s own needs, may underpin some personality disorders.

https://barbaraoakley.com/books/pathological-altruism/

CharliXXFebruary 23, 2025

What a living nightmare