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DiscussionWhat’s Wrong with Rejecting Someone ‘Trans’?
Posted February 22, 2025 by Opals in GenderCritical

The reason that I don’t want to be with a TIM is because they are male. The reason that I don’t want to be with a TIF is that I find the self-hatred unattractive.

But aside from these reasons, what is wrong with not wanting to date someone because they are ‘trans’? How is it any different to dating someone with wildly different religious or political views? I was just thinking today about how many ‘left wing’ activists would probably never want to date a fundamentalist Christian or a conservative, so what makes transgenderism special in this regard?

Edit: I think where my thoughts are going with this is that heterosexual people in particular, who can be afford to be choosy about who they date, often seem to see lesbians as a dumping ground for ‘unwanted men’. I think it echoes that comment from heterosexual men that lesbians are only homosexual because we are ‘too ugly to get a man’ and not because we are only attracted to women. So perhaps they think that we are being ‘ungrateful’ for rejecting TIMs on some level, ignoring the fact that lesbians are badgered just as much, if not more, than other women, precisely because men see us as a ‘challenge’.

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ProxyMusicMarch 9, 2025(Edited March 9, 2025)

This is what Jon Tester said in that clip from the Bill Maher show:

Gavin Newsom is 100% correct. But we're talking about very, very, very, small number of people who by the way, men shouldn't be playing in women's sports. It's a bunch of crap. But the truth is that it is blown so far out of proportion that...eh, I, uh. Show me a guy who's playing women's sports in Montana. I can't wait to see where it's at. Because the truth is, the truth is, if it happened, it would be big, big, big news. If it happened. And instead we're talking about that, and Congress is acting on that, instead of acting on the issues that impact Americans.

What a dickhead. He's just admitted that female athletes who compete in girls and women's sports in the USA and those who support them aren't Americans in his eyes.

As for Tester blustering on about how men competing in women's sports has never happened in Montana, and could never happen there, he's just showing he hasn't been paying any attention to what's already happened in Montana.

If Tester had a clue, he'd know full well that back in 2019-2020, Jonathan Eastwood - a 22-year-old male University of Montana student who had been the boys' state track and cross-country champion in multiple events when he was in high school - made national headlines and kicked up quite a storm when he changed his name to June and began running and winning big in NCAA women's track. In his first three years as on the men's track and cross-country teams at the University of Montana, Jonathan Eastwood didn't live up to the promise he'd shown in high school - in fact, he didn't fare all that well when competing against other men in collge events. After getting sidelined with an injury his junior year in college, Eastwood got depressed and almost gave up the sport altogether. But once Eastwood decided to deal with his injury and dispirited state by settling on "transition" as the solution, Eastwood got a new lease on life and rekindled his enthusiasm for running when he joined the Montana women's team and began easily trouncing female competitors.

This video from February 29, 2020 shows Eastwood leaving female runners in the dust as he easily won the women's mile race at Big Sky Conference Indoor Championships by wide margin:

https://youtu.be/rpHyJgORPXg?si=aJ2SCvdwlT0LnC0U

More on Jonathan "June" Eastwood of Montana from press reports, with the pronouns changed and a few other edits added:

AUG 31, 2019:

June Eastwood to Become First Transgender Runner to Compete in DI Cross Country

On Saturday, August 31, Juniper Eastwood will become the first transgender athlete to compete in DI cross country when he runs in the women's division for the University of Montana at the Clash of the Inland Northwest meet.

Assigned male at birth, Eastwood, now a 22-year-old senior,...made the decision to transition during his third year competing on the men’s track team at Montana.

It will be Eastwood's first race for the women's Grizzlies team since following the NCAA’s policy on transgender student-athlete participation, which requires transgender athletes who are transitioning from male to female to be treated with testosterone suppression medication for one year before competing on a women’s team.

While competing for Belgrade High School, Eastwood was the boys' state champion in cross country, the 800, 1600, and 3200 meters—accomplishments that led to an opportunity to compete on the men’s track and cross-country team at Montana in the fall of 2015.

For three years as an undergrad at the University of Montana, Eastwood competed as one of the top runners on the men’s track team for the Grizzlies. He posted personal bests of 3:50 in the 1500, 4:22 in the mile, and 14:38 in the 5K, and earned All-Big Sky Conference honors.

Then, an injury during his sophomore year ultimately became the turning point that helped him realize he needed to address his gender identity, Eastwood told the Bozeman Daily Chronicle.

Without the distraction of running, Eastwood said he battled depression as he felt the full impact of his struggle. He almost quit the men's team.

The identity question eased after he made the decision to transition, but he wasn’t sure he wanted to keep running at the college level. One night during his junior year when he was up late journaling at the 2018 Big Sky Indoor Track Championships, he realized he couldn’t give up the opportunity to compete in college. It was then Eastwood made the decision to continue running as an NCAA athlete.

Soon Eastwood found the NCAA’s policy on transgender inclusion adopted in 2010, and decided to pursue the next chapter of his running career by switching from competing in men's NCAA track and field to competing in the women's category.

“I decided that I would regret it down the road if I decided to quit running,” Eastwood says. “I felt like those two additional years of experience as a college athlete were going to be really valuable to me, and so far that has been true.”

While the NCAA policy does not list specific levels for testosterone suppression, it does state that part of the student’s responsibility is to provide a letter from his physician documenting intent to transition or transition status, as well as identifying “the prescribed hormonal treatment for the student’s gender transition and documentation of the student’s testosterone levels, if relevant.”

“Research suggests that androgen deprivation and cross sex hormone treatment in male-to-female transsexuals reduces muscle mass; accordingly, one year of hormone therapy is an appropriate transitional time before a male-to-female student-athlete competes on a women’s team,” Eric Vilain, M.D., Ph.D., currently the chair of the department of genomics and precision medicine at George Washington University, expressed in the policy guidelines.

After a year of treatment, a male who identifies as a transgender female is considered to be at an equal physical playing field with athletes who were born female.

About three months after Eastwood began treatment, he started to experience what he describes as a dramatic shift in his athletic ability, including a loss of endurance and muscle strength, as well as a drop in VO2 max.

“I went from being a competitive male athlete toward that top quarter to being about the same on the women’s side,” Eastwood says. “I’m not the best on my team right now, so it’s sort of interesting because I was before.”

While Eastwood says he’s slower than she once was, he feels more confident in his physical abilities as a runner now that she’s transitioned.

Eastwood started training with the women’s cross-country team last summer, and he says he’s been met with overwhelming support from his new teammates and coach.

Now as a trans female athlete, running has taken on a new role in Eastwood’s life.

As the [new] season neared, Eastwood read every resource he could find and sought out guidance from other trailblazers in the transgender rights community. He reached out to Joanna Harper—a scientist and transwoman who has published [ridiculous crackpot totally dodgy] research on transgender performance—and was able to meet Schuylar Bailar, a former swimmer at Harvard who was the first female-to-male transgender athlete to compete in a Division I sport.

Bailar emphasized the importance of having a supportive circle around throughout the transition, Eastwood says.

Eastwood also felt inspired by the composure that Caster Semenya displayed throughout the ongoing court case that ruled him ineligible to compete internationally in the women's 800 meters, the event in which Semenya earned an Olympic gold medal in 2012 and 2016. The South African middle distance runner is assumed to be hyperandrogenic, meaning he has naturally high levels of testosterone that exceed the “normal” limits for females.

In watching Semenya’s poised reaction to the ruling [by the Court of Arbitration for Sport against him] as well as Semenya's composure under the intense pressure of the media storm that surrounded him, Eastwood found hope.

Eastwood has also found positive distractions through his studies as a philosophy major with a minor in Native American studies, and at work at a summer camp for girls dedicated to eliminating racism and empowering women.

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a28875180/june-eastwood-first-transgender-runner-di-cross-country/

OCTOBER 23, 2019

Big Sky Conference names male runner ‘female athlete of the week,’ leaves out he’s transgender

Even men who identify as women typically acknowledge that they are “transgender women,” clarifying that they were not born women.

The Big Sky Conference didn’t even go that far when it honored a transgender woman as its “Female Athlete of the Week” in cross country. The student’s university was even more circumspect, simply identifying the transgender woman as “Athlete of the Week.”

June Eastwood, formerly known as Jonathan, “finished second in a field of 204 runners at the Santa Clara Bronco Invitational” and helped the University of Montana finish seventh as a team, the conference said in a press release.

Both pages for “June” and “Jonathan” remain live on a University of Montana Athletics website (source of collage, above).

Eastwood’s men’s page appears to have been last updated in July 2018. It identifies Jonathan as a 2015 graduate of Belgrade High, names his parents and sisters, and says he’s a “women’s, gender and sexuality studies major.”

June Eastwood’s page simply says the student graduated from Belgrade in 2015 and is majoring in philosophy.

Eastwood beat out eight other nominated competitors for Female Athlete of the Week, all of whom appear to be biological women judging by their official college headshots. The conference does not note Eastwood is transgender.

The University of Montana does not even note that the conference has male and female categories in its press release on Eastwood’s recognition.

It simply says Eastwood was named “Big Sky Conference Athlete of the Week” after beating San Diego State University’s Jenny Sandoval, who also appears to be a biological woman. (The Missoulian published a condensed version of the press release without identifying it as such, instead crediting the article to “Missoulian staff.”)

It’s not clear why the conference would hide Eastwood’s transgender status. The “pioneering athlete” was featured as transgender by a Montana TV station in August and the University of Montana itself in September.

Eastwood mentioned having “four years of college distance running under their [sic] belt,” alluding to the student’s competition in the male category as recently as December 2017. Jonathan Eastwood comfortably won that race.

Eastwood’s jump to female competition was noted on the LetsRun.com forum in August. The original poster did not name Eastwood.

An editor’s note posted to the thread – even longer than the original post – said the “athlete in question appears to be” June Eastwood. The editor changed the title of the thread and imposed a registration requirement to comment:

We imagine it’s not easy to transition and ask that you please be respectful of June Eastwood the person even if you, like us, vehemently don’t respect her decision to compete in D1 sports as a woman.

The reality is the NCAA’s rules on transgender participation are sorely lacking. In June the NCAA confirmed in writing to us the following, “The NCAA does not have a maximum testosterone level for its current policy. The current policy is being reviewed by our membership.”

There also is no independent verification of T suppression. So as long as one had a note from a medical professional saying they had undergone one year of testosterone suppression – even if they were in fact flushing the pills down the toilet – that person would be eligible to compete. But one could take one birth control pill every six months and technically be meeting the rules. It’s a travesty.

In a post for American Thinker early Wednesday, a New York state-certified cross country and track and field official noted Eastwood’s first-place finish in the women’s race at the Oct. 4 Montana Invitationals.

“Not surprisingly, [Eastwood] has fared quite well against his weaker and slower female competitors this season, finishing first at the U of Montana’s Invitational and second (by one second!) at the most recent Bronco Invitational,” Bill Zwerger wrote, noting Eastwood also topped the male category at the 2017 competition:

I have the sneaking suspicion that his latest second-place finish was due to him “letting off the gas” toward the end of the race, seeking to minimize the negative publicity his winning yet again would have garnered, along with the outrage his female opponents must feel in having a male win every race against them. It will be interesting to see what happens when he competes in the NCAA D1 championships, whether he again backs off at the end or instead decides to end his collegiate X-C career as the champion…of women.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/big-sky-conference-names-male-runner-female-athlete-of-the-week-leaves-out-hes-transgender/

26 October 2019

Male Transgender NCAA cross country runner, 22, in Montana named Conference Female Athlete of the Week

June Eastwood, a senior at University of Montana, received the accolade after placing second among 204 female athletes

Eastwood previously ran for the men's team before identifying as a transgender female and competing on the women's team

NCAA policy allows male athletes who identify as transgender females to compete in women's competition after suppressing testosterone for a year

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7616487/Transgender-female-NCAA-cross-country-runner-Montana-named-Conference-Female-Athlete-Week.html#:~:text=June Eastwood%2C a University of,group of 204 female runners.

CharliXXMarch 9, 2025

You always bring the receipts. I watched his haw haw ing about this never happening asterisk in Montana and thought, bet that's still bullshit.

InattentiveGiraffeMarch 9, 2025

Democrats will have to realize it's not just about sports, it's about women's right to have something of our own - something that men can't have. We must keep pushing until we have all our rights and spaces back.

legopantsMarch 9, 2025

Refer to this website for every single "but it's not even That Many" moronic imbecile claim

It includes a list of every RECORDED male in every documented women's sport by name and sport. As well as showing women have already lost 401 first place, 373 second place, and 362 third place positions in these sports. There are currently 352 documented males in 62 different women's sports categories or teams. And again, this is only recorded sports. Not counting elementary and high schools or all local/community teams and etc. Is that enough yet? Is this still "not that many"? So How many women and at what number can are we allowed to say no more? One was too many. One male allowed immediately takes that away from one actual woman.

twinklebarbieMarch 9, 2025(Edited March 9, 2025)

Yes that is the play book. Well we should say, the trans population is so low, why did we change laws at the cost of women who make up majority of the world. We need to stand firm on it. Every democrat who voted against the bill to protect women needs to be voiced out. Is it okay if just one girl loses out on a scholarship? Is it okay if just one woman is raped? It’s not

emptiedriverMarch 9, 2025

This drives me crazy. If one male cheats in something, it is a huge scandal. Danny Almonte was just one player, but he was too old for little league and caused a huge upset in the finals tournaments for their world series bc it was against the rules. They don't say, oh, let it go, there's only a couple guys here or there over the age limit. They make national news out of it and throw people out of the sport and bemoan the lost chances of the kids who didn't get a fair game. And players like Mark McGwire or Barry Bonds who were found to be on steroids were similarly stripped of records, not shrugged off as no big deal.

And if it's no big deal politically, then just take care of it simply and be done with it! It should be easy since it's such a non-issue. It won't bother anyone to ban any male-bodied people who want to take part in women's sports since they're practically non-existent anyway, right? Why not agree with the logical, common sense imperative that will apparently barely impact any athletes, and get back to what you consider important. Why are you defending it if it doesn't matter?

hellamomzillaMarch 9, 2025(Edited March 9, 2025)

I don’t care if there’s one or a thousand. Female sports exist for fairness of competition for females. Why make exceptions for ANY MALE?

Why are any of these males more important than all the females that it suddenly A-OK to break the rules for? When there’s any issue with rules and fairness in MALE sport, things get immediately sorted. This past college football season one team intentionally broke a rule because it would mean the clock would start and by the rules, it would run out and the other team wouldn’t be able to score a winning field goal at the end of the game. Before the next weekend, the NCAA changed the rules so that type of clock management couldn’t happen again.

But it’s suddenly no big to allow any number of males to break the most important rule of the closed female class — must be a female.

izzy314March 9, 2025

That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.

Narcissist's Prayer

HollyhockMarch 9, 2025

My senator has said nothing about trans, like ever. She shows up to Pride and takes photos w/ gay men and promotes lesbian business. She, however, votes in lockstep w/ Dems, so her record is horseshit, however, I think her lack of pronouns in her bio, and her absolutely ignoring the issue of trans, including the men in women's sports, means she is just waiting for the wind to blow and she'll follow it. She's also a moderate.

superdippyMarch 9, 2025

wow sounds exactly like my senator! it’s seriously so embarrassing to have voted for people who took this stance 🙃

itsnotabouteweMarch 8, 2025

So far I've only heard a couple of politicians apologize and admit to getting it wrong, but most have followed the Jon Tester route. You inspired me to do a poll on the subject. I hope you don't mind me doing so off the back of your post.

WrongToyMarch 9, 2025

My nephew went to Penn when the Lia Thomas scandal was going on. He knew Paula Scanlan personally. And what he said to me is that while having Lia compete was unfair, it was collateral damage to the greater right of trans acceptance.

vulvapeopleMarch 9, 2025

it was collateral damage to the greater right of trans acceptance.

And look how well that's working out.

MascaraRunsFreeMarch 9, 2025

They can continue the gaslighting, but Dem voters have to keep the pressure on. So they relent on another piece of the trans agenda. I guess you could call it fighting tooth and nail...or fighting breast and testicle, one by one, to victory of reality, science, and compassion, and honesty about degree of homophobia still out there.

Jane_MerrydaughterMarch 9, 2025(Edited March 16, 2025)

Newsom goes gender critical and the only person he can think to do it with is Charlie Kirk?

Back up, Gavin. Come over here.