Forcing TIFS to use the men's restroom would result in violence and discrimination against butch lesbians and any other women who don't perform femininity. Bathroom use should be sex-based, nothing else.

I’m fine with it. If I have to share a bathroom with either a woman on steroids, or a man in a wig, I’ll pick the woman every time no matter what she looks like.

They are women and I welcome them in the ladies room.

One of the main "counters" to the argument of having female-only restrooms is that mandating single-sex restrooms would mean TIFs would have to use the women's room.

I'm concerned about maintaining female only restrooms. I could give two shits about the mens loo. If tifs want to use the mens why do I care? That said, I would hope any tif would still come to the women's if she feels unsafe for any reason, and just provide some assurance or explanation to the other occupants if necessary.

if I saw a TIF in the women’s bathroom, yeah I wouldn’t DO anything, because that’s the bathroom she is supposed to use, but I would definitely mean-mug her for abandoning ship when it’s convenient and still seeking refuge when she needs it.

Besides, who knows if she’s voting or encouraging her trans friends to vote to repeal more of women’s rights in favor of trans shit. Soon, there won’t be a women’s restroom thanks to her and her buddies.

Saying "they're female so it's totally fine!" only works in theory, but irl it's not that simple. If someone who looked like Buck Angel came into the bathroom I bet most women would be alarmed. Most people aren't closely examining others in these spaces, so how would anyone know it's a TIF and not an actual man? Especially people who aren't obsessed with this topic, who probably have a harder time clocking trans people. TIFs might not be a threat the way men are, but they're being perceived as such, which is the issue. Until there's a magical chromosome detector on every bathroom door there's really no way to ensure that the manly looking person in there with you is actually female. Imo the TIFs made their choice, they can go piss with the men and leave the rest of the women alone.

At least with bathrooms, I'm in favor of the implied gentlemen's agreement that existed before captured governments started mandating that women tolerate men in our spaces. In the past, a TIM would only enter if he felt he passed. If he was questioned, it was incumbent on him to leave and not return. I think this worked somewhat well in that it left it in women's hands to tell men to GTFO or ask security to do so.

Although, truth be told, I'm not sure if that would work today thanks to greater trans awareness. Women who don't buy into trans identity now have reason to question male-appearing users of the restrooms (whether women or TIMs) while, in the past, they would have been more likely to extend the benefit of the doubt.

So it likely would have to come down to sex in order to protect women and have accurate government documents to show when there's a dispute. Too bad, so sad for TIMs who could have flown under the radar 40 years ago, but, as far as I'm concerned, this outcome is their fault.

All women should be welcome in women’s spaces.

However I don’t want any prosethic/fake penises in the same room as women and girls.

They're women, so they're allowed in the women's bathroom. I've met like dozens of TIFs and none of them pass.

Oh you mean women? Yes, I’m ok with women in the women’s bathroom.

I don't want trans anything in the bathroom, because trans shouldn't exist.

The TIF is certainly safer with the women, but depending on how well the TIF passes, why should the women be subjected to that shock?

Women have a better eye for correctly sexing other people than men do. I figure this is because men only have to know who they can fuck but women need to know who is a danger to us. Theirs in a mating instinct whereas ours is a survival instinct. Men who don't pass or who are clocked in any way should be told to leave women's spaces and immediately do so. If a woman passes so well that no men clock her or object to her being there then there is no harm, but also it's not our problem. If men do see through her disguise and ask her to leave then I'm sure women would also be able to recognise her as being female and therefore would not be alarmed at her being in female spaces.

It’s rare for a TIF to pass, but if they do, they ought to use the mens out of courtesy for regular women.

Anyone who looks like a male in women’s spaces gives camouflage for male criminals.

Its a hazard and a difficult one for GC as much as we don't like to admit it. Most women would actually feel uncomfortable by a human with a beard and strange fat distribution in their spaces. I'd say that for sure they can use it but if I was them I would avoid it to try to not intimidate other women.

They are women and they belong there. However, if they have made such alterations to themselves that they look like men, they should be prepared for questions and women being uncomfortable - their voice usually gives it away, anyway.

Don't mind them there, since they're actual women...however, aren't they hypocrites (or suffer from massive cognitive dissonance) for not using the men's room?

In my world, TIFs often do use women's restrooms. It's annoying AF. They want all the privilege and security of manhood, but want to use women's groups, teams, and spaces as it suits them.

This is where third spaces can come in handy. I'm not that worried about violence from a TIF, but women shouldn't have to analyze every bearded dude in their restroom to decide if he's a TIF or a real guy. Keeping it safe for women means banning TIFs too so we can feel assured of no men every in our bathrooms. And that makes it safer for butch women too.

TiF should use the female bathrooms for their own safety. As for the imaginary panic, the hips don't lie. IRL, nobody passes. Look at Ellen and all the money she's spent on cosmetic procedures. Also, at least in my limited experience, the TiF know why we want sex separated spaces. They just think they've beat the system, not destroy it like the men do.

I don't care where TIFs go because they're not a threat. If they want to keep using the men's facilities because they look male, more power to them.

There is no such thing as a sex change operation, only gender reassignment surgeries. Therefore, the trans "man" is a woman, and if she wants to urinate in a toilet instead of a urinal in the men's bathroom , who cares-?

Trans woMEN are men, and the majority of them are heterosexual men wanting to stick their intact and functioning penises into lesbians especially, whether they want it there or not. They need to stick to the restroom based on their biological sex, which is why self ID is pure evil, as I have no doubt its architects are only too aware.

The 5-20% of men who actually get GRS-? I would rather they go to the men's room too, as they still have the male physical advantages over women re:strength (and they seem to be just as rage-infused as men in general, against women who don't respond to them in the way to which they feel entitled) , but that's probably going to strike too many legislators as meeeeeaaaaannnn. We might be stuck with these men. Which is why self ID is the main enemy here. Only men who actually follow through on [gag] "bottom surgery" should be allowed into women's areas, IF any are allowed in at all (and I personally would like to keep them ALL out).

TIFs often look and act like men. TIMs are men and usually look and act like them. TIMs may need space away from other men for their own safety. TIFs need space away from all men for their own safety. Women need space away from all men and TIFs for our own safety. I don’t want any male-level amount of testosterone in my bathroom. Period.

They're women. They should use the women's bathroom. However they should be ready to prove that they are women, and the ability to self declare your sex on your ID should be removed. That is my solution.

Most places have at least one single room bathroom. Often for handicapped access. That seems like the best solution for the gender special people.

One thing I didn’t see anyone mention is testosterone usage. There was a thread the other day about a woman on T being very aggressive. I don’t want to discriminate against women in women’s spaces, especially detrans women or even trans-idenitifying women who are no longer on T but have permanent changes from it, but I also kind of don’t want to be in an enclosed, safe space with someone actively juicing, regardless of their sex. Idk it’s a hard one.

There are going to be people who look like men using the women’s room either way.

Either we have men who look like men (because they do not all pass) or women who look like men

I would rather the latter

I agree it will suck for them because they will get challenged a lot

Many TIFs pass as men for obvious reasons. The only way this can work is valid certificates of sex should questions arise. Those certificates have been invalidated.

I personally don't care who is in the restroom as long as they aren't trying to peek at me in the stall, even trans women don't bother me.

(Of course, other women are bothered by trans women so they deserve a restroom with only women.)

If you look manly you use the men's. If you look like a woman in a bowtie use the women's.