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So my professor went on a surprisingly passionate rant about gender ideology today! The gist of it was that you can't dictate how other people see you, and that it’s ridiculous to demand that we use words like “menstruators” and “pregnant people” to refer to women. He then talked a bit about how using this kind of language isn't going to help us achieve equality. Pretty based huh? The best thing is that this dude is the most progressive out of all of my professors.

So my professor went on a surprisingly passionate rant about gender ideology today! The gist of it was that you can't dictate how other people see you, and that it’s ridiculous to demand that we use words like “menstruators” and “pregnant people” to refer to women. He then talked a bit about how using this kind of language isn't going to help us achieve equality. Pretty based huh? The best thing is that this dude is the most progressive out of all of my professors.

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[–] estina 164 points

Send him a thank you note, or thank him in person! It's important for people to realize that their words make a difference, especially for people who can't speak up as easily.

Does anyone else think gender-neutral terms for female anatomy aren't really for the benefit of TiFs? I think it's more often a result of a desire to validate TiMs by decoupling the female body from womanhood. Generally speaking, the TQ community focuses 90% of their time and energy on TiMs.

I agree. It’s so ironic how the only time TiFs are in the spotlight is when they’re pregnant. Yet, they allegedly can’t cope with sexed terms for female anatomy. Make it make sense.

[–] [Deleted] 18 points Edited

Wait until they get annoyed at the term pregnant, because it says female somewhere the definition.

Edit: Bingo: (of a woman or female animal) having a child or young developing in the uterus.

[–] bojackie 7 points Edited

Yesterday, I saw an Instagram post by a TIF who is contemplating pregnancy and a person in the comments said "baby carriers". I was wondering why they didn't say "pregnant people" but my guess is they are shunning the word "pregnant". I wonder if they will be happy or panic when the anti-abortion start using that language.

As a joke I sometimes suggest they say "gestational host" but now I'm afraid people will use it unironically

Absolutely agree! I commented this a few weeks ago:

This is what drives me crazy and the Reddit discourse around “inclusive” language (that only applies to women’s issues) is such a motte and bailey argument. The Reddit transbians claim that inclusive language is to be considerate of transmen and non-binary females (the motte) but their real position is they don’t think the word "woman" should be associated with physical biology at all because it excludes them (the bailey). Case in point - nobody ever seems to care that the term "men" is used to describe male physical biology because the argument has never been about being "inclusive" and is always about redefining women and our experiences to include porn-sick males that fetishize our lived realities.

Yeah! The "gender neutral" language is one of the most sex-specific things ever.

I think so too. Otherwise, they would have just started including TiFs and NBs in women's health stuff. For instance, the title for an article regarding menstruation wouldn't refer to women as "menstrators", they would just say "women, transmen and some NBs". Or use AFAB or something. But no, instead of trying to actually be inclusive, they chose to be dehumanizing.

You know what? I think you're right. I could never quite put my finger on this before now but that's it. It's not about TiFs at all. It's about TiMs wanting to smash up the meaning of 'woman' so they can reassemble and re-appropriate it for themselves.

I could never quite put my finger on this

Me neither. If it were purely about TiFs, no one would care. That's what stood out to me. It's not that TiFs don't want or advocate for this kind of language, it's just that TiMs, being male, always get the megaphone.

Oh 100%. If you have sex dysphoria and your reproductive system is a source of visceral horror, the last thing you want to hear is being called a uterus owner, menstruator and bleeder, etc. Like great, constantly being addressed in degrading terms by the very anatomy that makes the world see me as a mentally deficient broodmare will definitely help me with the feeling of wanting to die about being cursed with those organs! It's all for TIMs to feel centered.

Yes. So TIMs don’t feel left out in discussions of women’s health.

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I consider myself progressive, though the kind of progressive that's based on improving the material reality for people rather than validating everyone's feelings. For that reason, I'm not surprised your most progressive professor sees through the bullshit. People who actually want to change the world for the better see how much things get ruined when everyone is lost in the weeds of identity politics and squabbling, because anyone who actually does this kind of work can tell you that you have to learn to get along with a lot of people who have different goals than you and a different world view, even if you're on the same side. Someone who actually values progress can see the regressive mentality behind eliminating the concept of femaleness, making fascist demands about pronoun compliance, and foisting harmful trans medical practices onto homosexuals and people with mental health issues and fetishes in order to "cure" them.

I’m not at all surprised that he’s critical of gender ideology (in fact I had a strong suspicion just based on the way he talks about science). I’m pretty surprised at how well-informed he was though. When I say progressive I mean it in the true sense of the word. I just felt obligated to mention it because many men who speak out against gender ideology are of the conservative, anti-woman kind.

I'm very glad you mentioned it! I think people need to see that we're not a bunch of extreme right-wing conservatives who are just against what they see as the next civil rights movement, but that we're actually mostly on the left as well. The people who won't even entertain the radfem/gender critical perspective don't want to see that, in fact, our position is farther left than their own in most ways, and more grounded in reality to boot.

People who actually want to change the world for the better see how much things get ruined when everyone is lost in the weeds of identity politics and squabbling, because anyone who actually does this kind of work can tell you that you have to learn to get along with a lot of people who have different goals than you and a different world view, even if you're on the same side.

Love this. So true

[–] Clarbg 4 points Edited

Identity politics is not the problem, the problem is gender identity ideology. Remember that feminism, gay rights etc these are all "identity politics". For most humans, our identity is extremely important to us.

Agree. I'm also a progressive (like the universal healthcare kind) and agree how we can see the regressive behavior.

[–] Nediljka_Orwell PITA crone 55 points

Is there a TRA mob at your school that will go after him?

You should let him know that his stance is appreciated, and that you've got his back if anything comes of it.

He did get challenged by a couple of libfems but they I don’t think they’re the kind of people who are out to destroy anyone’s career. Honestly, they just seemed confused.

[–] [Deleted] 35 points Edited

It's really depressing that this man was standing up there saying "Women deserve to be able to identify themselves as something other than "the opposite of men" and women in the class responded "No we don't!" Female socialization is hell.

[–] bellatrixbells BoobatrixRex 16 points

In this case I think it's more the cult effect than female socialization.

one can only be so progressive before peaking, in my opinion. like if you're actually progressive, you start seeing the red flags in gender ideology pretty fast bc it's the most backwards, misogynistic shit anyone could come up with. good for him & good for you - hopefully there's no TRA crybaby's in ur class

‘Dictate how others see you’

This is such a great point. Many have tried - literal dictators, among them - but you can’t control another person’s perception.

[–] zuubat 2 points Edited

I am reminded of the early 1990s, when diversity(r) first became a buzzword in corporate circles. These "trainers" came in to explain that we needed to ditch the golden rule - Treat others as you would have them treat you - and replace it with something along the lines of Treat others as they want to be treated.

Shucks, then we should treat others as royalty - cast our eyes downward as they approach, bow/curtsy/whatever - and they should do the same for us. How would that work, exactly?

On a more serious note, I soon got the feeling that these re-education camps "diversity" sessions were mostly about persuading female employees to be even more deferential to males from hyper-regressive cultures coming to the west to work in tech. Or maybe the whole thing was just a red herring.

Either way, there was nothing progressive about it.

Oh I love this. GC academics need to speak up in droves! Power in numbers.

Love! Perhaps someone who needed to hear these words, did. Might have saved a few today.

(Might also be headed for a reprimand or a forced apology? Depends on the institution...)

[–] Carrots90 28 points Edited

UWe may never know whXY HE isn’t getting the mobs of TRAs threats and calls to oust that Kathleen XXStock suffered

I’m baffled

Regardless, I’m grateful to him.

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