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One of my deepest areas of fascination is the 1980s Satanic Panic, which began by parents becoming convinced that their children's daycare was being secretly run by a cabal of Satanic pedophiles. This belief catapulted itself into mainstream American thought. Doctors, law enforcement, social workers, psychologists, and other authorities believed the lies that America was full of Satanic ritual abuse underground societies. They used slogans like "Believe the children" and "children don't lie" while using junk science and manipulative interviewing techniques to convince children and parents of Satanic abuse that literally never happened. There's a lot more to it, and I recommend those unfamiliar take a look. The general attitude from those my age who were only young children when this was going on is "what was everyone thinking? How could they have been so deluded?" Do you all think in a few decades everyone will the same way about transing kids? Here's what really gets me--for different reasons, but both the Satanic-panic-influenced Bible belters of my childhood and TRAs of today hate JK Rowling!

One of my deepest areas of fascination is the 1980s Satanic Panic, which began by parents becoming convinced that their children's daycare was being secretly run by a cabal of Satanic pedophiles. This belief catapulted itself into mainstream American thought. Doctors, law enforcement, social workers, psychologists, and other authorities believed the lies that America was full of Satanic ritual abuse underground societies. They used slogans like "Believe the children" and "children don't lie" while using junk science and manipulative interviewing techniques to convince children and parents of Satanic abuse that literally never happened. There's a lot more to it, and I recommend those unfamiliar take a look. The general attitude from those my age who were only young children when this was going on is "what was everyone thinking? How could they have been so deluded?" Do you all think in a few decades everyone will the same way about transing kids? Here's what really gets me--for different reasons, but both the Satanic-panic-influenced Bible belters of my childhood and TRAs of today hate JK Rowling!

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[–] Eava 26 points

One of the architects of the Satanic Panic is one of the architects of the movement to trans kids.

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/52581/diane-ehrensaft/75757209-3335-405a-b418-758fd6a650e0

One of the architects of the Satanic Panic is one of the architects of the movement to trans kids.

So the grifter moved on to a new grift.

I can't believe anyone takes Ehrensaft seriously after the Satanic Panic. Good Lord...

I found out about this only very recently, and things started falling into place when I did. It makes a lot more sense now.

And it gives me hope that, much like the Satanic Panic, this transing children BS is also going to collapse in spectacular fashion, hopefully and ideally before too many more children are hurt.

Her family name literally translates to honorable juice , idk why but every time i read it i have to cringe so bad.

Ehrensaft is only successful at being a fraud. Any area or practice where she gains prominence, you know it must be brimming with bullshit.

I guess if you wait 30 years between frauds, people don't connect the dots.

[–] goodyusername Team Terflair 25 points

Do you all think in a few decades everyone will [be] the same way about transing kids?

Yes. I was with a group of middle aged psychotherapists a few years ago. Most were not peaked. Oh, no, it's a new generation, blah, blah, blah. Then one of them said, remember multiple personality disorder? What ever happened to that? And everyone else went quiet.

Oh, don't worry. There's a resurgence of DID, or at least children claiming to have 'multiples,' thanks to TikTok.

Oh, don't worry. There's a resurgence of DID, or at least children claiming to have 'multiples,' thanks to TikTok.

And don't forget the new wave of young people claiming to have tourettes after a few influencers got popular by vlogging how they live with the disorder.

But you're a transphobe if you acknowledge that social contagion is a thing. 🙄

[–] JACKANDJILL 10 points Edited

It's worth noting that the child porn industry financed a lot of the propaganda designed to create doubt about the daycare abuse cases.

I was one of the victims in the most famous 80s daycare abuse case and it's been sickening over the years to see how successful the child porn industry has been at convincing society that there was a "satanic panic" and that the children were lying.

There's a group of "journalists" financed by the child porn industry that have been pushing this propaganda for decades, writing books and articles every few years for different outlets with the same false information.

The reason for the similarities between the cases was simple. If you were sexually abusing a child and wanted to scare them into silence, threatening them with the devil and saying their family would go to hell if they talked was a pretty common tactic. The pedophiles weren't actually satanic, although the media may have portrayed them that way to sensationalize the stories. But the abuse absolutely happened. I was there.

I am so sorry that happened to you. Please don't take this as me questioning or minimizing your trauma or anything--but I have always understood that while child abuse happens everywhere including schools and daycares, that in the Satanic Panic cases particularly there were not just allegations of child abuse but of underground Satanic cabals, kidnappings, human sacrifices and the like that were never proven. Psychiatrists did use junk science like recovered memories, and books like Michelle Remembers and The Satan Seller have proven to be frauds. I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't trying to say all child abuse is a fake moral panic--just that a lot of the "psychiatry" at that time we can now see clearly as nonscientific and abusive itself. That is the parallel I wanted to draw with genderwoo "care". Absolutely happy to be corrected though if I've mischaracterized anything!

While I can only speak to the specifics of the Frank Fuster case, the "journalists" who have been on a crusade to free him for decades are the same ones the child porn industry paid to create doubt about the other cases. So since they have been so dishonest and misleading about the Fuster case, and I know for a fact they're lying because I was there, it's hard to trust they've presented the other cases in an honest and fair way.

There were no recovered memories involved in the Fuster case. Multiple children, completely unprompted, told their parents about things going on at the daycare. It was only then that parents researched Fuster's background and discovered he was a convicted child molester and a convicted killer. No allegations of human sacrifice. Fuster would sacrifice birds in front of us and told us if we told our parents that what happened to the birds would happen to us.

Does it make for better headlines to call killing animals for intimidation purposes a "satanic ritual" . . . sure. So that's what the media ran with. The media did try to create a "satanic panic," but that doesn't change the fact that Fuster is guilty.

I agree psychiatry in general, as we've seen with genderwoo, doesn't have the best track record with a lot of their techniques or approaches. But the propaganda campaign to smear the child victims of the abusive daycares is often very misleading or flat out lying about what techniques were used when interviewing the children, or how parents or authorities ever found out in the first place about the abuse.

I personally have been hounded by these "journalists" and they've tried to ruin my life because I'm one of the only victims that is willing to publicly fight back against their false narrative. Part of the success they've had is they can paint a one sided misleading picture year after year, increasing the amount of embellishment as time goes on when they figure out there is literally nobody on the other side pushing back.

Do you recommend any good sources that tell the case like it was?

This book is very accurate: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0865532001/

The crazy thing about all of the people fighting to free Frank Fuster is how willing they are to gloss over the fact that he had already been in prison for child molestation and manslaughter before ever opening a daycare. All of these years later, the same paid off "journalists" from decades ago are still getting publications to run stories trying to prove his innocence. It's all propaganda. Even the Innocence Project has refused to take his case. He's guilty as sin. But he's one of the few cases the child porn industry hasn't been able to get overturned, so they keep fighting. That industry used the "satanic panic" narrative to try to make the public less trusting of children who claim sexual abuse as obviously the child porn peddlers benefit in many ways from the public not believing children who say they've been molested or raped.

My favorite thing about the current era is that Michael "Jesse Singal is literally murdering trans people" Hobbes did a whole thing about Satanic Panic on his You're Wrong About podcast. I think it's actually where I first learned about Satanic Panic (before I listened to a couple of episodes where I'd had prior knowledge about the subject, and started mistrusting his reporting).

I actually thing that a lot of current TWAW leftists totally would have been homophobic racists back in the day. They're obsessed with moral purity and can't stand to be a part of an outgroup. Critical thinking and free speech are "dangerous" etc etc

Oh man, I totally went there too!! But really it was Sarah Marshall who was most into moral panics and the Satanic Panic in particular. Interestingly she's been really quiet on that topic since Michael left the podcast.

My personal theory is that she peaked and it caused the divorce. I think she's gone on the down low with it (how could she publicly peak with all the shit she has said?), but she seems like she is talking "gender" way less and has been featuring female podcasters on her show quite a bit. Probably wrong, but it's fun to theorize! haha

Oh I'd love it if that were true. I thought she was really funny.

I had to stop listening to this podcast after a while, they were so insufferable. I remember Michael Hobbes being on a different show that they put in the feed where he laughed and scoffed at the idea that there should be any punishment or justice for him as a victim of crime when his bike was stolen. Like... dude, maybe you don't care your bike was stolen, and maybe the person who stole it was desperate, but also, ever considered some people can't just let it go like that and maybe they can't afford to have someone do that to them? That maybe some criminals aren't victims and some victims aren't criminals?? It feels like a lot of super leftist thought is so contrary to reality and the only way it's gotten to that stage is through hyperbolic internet feedback loops, and trans rights is just a symptom of it, or at least another branch. You're right there, they're the new puritans. I wish there was another planet they could sail off to.

Michael Hobbes is a total joke. He's doing this fat propaganda podcast now (healthy at every size or whatever), and it's seriously pathetic.

I really liked YWA, but it was definitely in spite of the hosts and how insufferable they are! Posted this elsewhere, but I suspect Sarah Marshall may have peaked? Which, if so it's about time.

Oh really?? If she has that's very good news. What makes you think that? I would be thrilled if so.

I really enjoyed YWA but as soon as their opinions vary from mine I realise how smug and condescending they can be. Thing is, they think they're completely above bias and the irony of doing a show called 'You're Wrong About' without admitting their own perspectives affect how they approach topics is just... painful.

I can imagine that any topic that guy does alone is awful, but health at any size is incredibly problematic... been watching Lindo Bacon implode from a distance as the most recent victim.

The connection is there! I believe one of the psychologists who really pushed the repressed memory syndrome is now active in Gender Woo! Same grift, different day. Maybe someone will know the details - I know I have read about this connection before.

YES! I am also heavily fascinated by Satanic Panic and I noticed the connection not long after I peaked. I do think that one day, gender woo will be thought about the same way we think of the Satanic Panic.

One contrast I find interesting is that right now, it's the people who are raising the alarm about abuse who are accused of stoking a moral panic. I'm fairly sure that within 10-15 years massive lawsuits, journalistic exposés, and personal memoirs about detransition will force the issue into the sunlight.

And while the accusations of Satanic ritual abuse in the 80s were never substantiated, and never even plausible in the first place; the evidence of medical, sexual, and emotional abuse in gender activism is all right there. Many TRAs will even brag about it publicly. Off the top of my head I can think of Dr. Yeet the Teats, rapist Eli Erlick, and the promotion of suicide-baiting as a tactic to force family members to support transition.

So I always thought it was interesting that Sarah Marshall from You're Wrong About was allegedly writing a book on the Satanic Panic, and yet she is a huge TRA and never made the connection. This is obviously a moral panic for the left. I guess it's hard to see when you are in it, except that I was also in it and saw it immediately when I stopped to think about it for two seconds.

I have a theory that the reason Michael Hobbes left the podcast is that Sarah finally peaked. If you notice she's stopped the annoying voice as much and she doesn't talk about gender as much anymore with him gone. Seems to be featuring a lot of other female podcasters. It's a fun thing to think about, anyway!

Ironic that they keep going on about being “on the right side of history”, which is a creepy and sinister phrase at the best of times

It’s an attempt to stop critical thinking. “The liberals are always right, so just listen to us or be on the wrong side of history.”

I have a conspiracy theory about this. These bizarre conspiracy theories about sexual abuse keep coming ( now we have a Q anon). They are being used deliberately to discredit all victims of sexual abuse. Everyone who expresses concern about abuse can be dismissed as a right wing nutcase.

There was a program in the UK called Brass Eye. It made a spoof news investigation about pedophiles basically mocking concerns about it. This was made in the 1990s when Jimmy Savile was still abusing children. Everyone in the TV industry knew about it and it was tolerated. I am not saying the makers of the program were involved in anything to do with Savile but it shows the culture. No one wants to be a prude so they join in the mocking of those people who have legitimate concerns. Some of the high profile campaigns are obviously a conspiracy theory so it is made out that everyone who complains about abuse is a conspiracy theorist.

What this also shows is that Louis Theroux is not nearly as good an investigative journalist as he thinks he is. Diane Etensaft was on his program about trans kids. It was obvious he was high on the woo.