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BaileyscheesecakeFebruary 4, 2022

What bothers me about sex scenes is that actors are being asked or required to do for the role. Actors who may be in committed relationships, who may not be attracted to each other, and who may not want to deep kiss, fondle, or more with the other person nevertheless put on a show. Is that what we want to make others do, simulate sex for our titillation? Do we really want other people to reduce these acts to "just doing my job"? Maybe some actors enjoy it, but I certainly don't like to watch them, nor do I appreciate close-ups of various body parts in motion.

Call me a prude, I'll own it. I've been against most female nudity in films since the 80s because it's gratuitous, even when not sexualized. And there is very little male nudity out there. I think it was Michael Douglas who talked about baring his behind in a movie, but so what? Buttocks are nothing. If women have to go full frontal, then make the men do it, too, without a strategically placed object or with the camera filming from a distance or the room darkened. While there have been exceptions, such as Jaime's rape scene in 'Outlander,' scattered scenes in the first season of 'Game of Thrones,' and Kevin Bacon in "Wild Things," male nudity seems rare.

Chopu [OP]February 5, 2022

Your comment reminded me of this [interview] (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/why-rising-90s-star-leelee-sobieski-bowed-out-of-hollywood/TTCSEI53NMLLGPWG4RCYBXSOCI/) of a now retired actress, Leelee Sobieski, where she talks about how gross she felt about doing such scenes:

Ninety per cent of acting roles involve so much sexual stuff with other people, and I don't want to do that," she told Vogue in 2012.

It's kind of a gross industry — well, they all are, when you examine them — but in acting you're selling your appearance so much. I would cry every time I had to kiss somebody, I couldn't stomach it.

"I would think 'I like this person, so I don't think they should pay me to kiss them,' or 'I don't like this person, so I don't want to kiss them'. Why is my kiss for sale?' It made me feel really cheap.

Honestly, I think about this so much. It's like there is a huge cognitive dissonance around this topic. I will bet you anything that the people who call us insecure or prudish or whatever would themselves feel uncomfortable if their spouse's job requirement suddenly required them to kiss and get naked and dry hump another person. Sex is great. But, such scenes are just a sleazy, voyeuristic and often degrading imitations of sex. I wish they weren't there. Nowadays, before I watch any film or show, I always make it a point to check out imdb's parental guide section for it. Saved me from watching so much crap.

And yeah, the disproportionately high amount of female nudity just shows how sexist all this is.

pennygadgetFebruary 5, 2022

This reminds me of how a lot of folks mocked Kirk Cameron for having his wife stand in for his co-star whenever he had to do a kissing scene in the movie 'Fireproof'. I get not liking his hokey, fundie movies. But its really gross to mock him for having boundaries when it comes to kissing scenes and filming his movies so that the actors don't have to kiss a co-star if it makes them uncomfortable.

99% of the time, makeout and sex scenes are entirely unneccessary. And it sucks that women who want serious, grown-up roles in movies have to be open to getting naked and dry humping their co-star

Chopu [OP]February 5, 2022

I actually read about that many years ago. Yeah, I remember seeing people being all mean and mocking him too on the imdb message boards once... Like whatever happened to respecting people's boundaries?🤨.

hypatiaFebruary 5, 2022

Oh man I had such a crush on Leelee Sobieski! She was one of the first movie stars that made me realize I had feelings for women (her and Sarah Michelle Gellar!)

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