It's defining women and womenhood by the fact they DONT FEEL DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDERS.

How fucked up it is that you are literally defining 99% of reality by what tiny 1% has a fucking self delusion.

Yep, the men feel they are qualified to pass judgment and if a woman dares to be somewhat unpleasant to him she gets the threat of one of those labels. Better comply and play nice or else the menfolk will think/say bad things about you!

Not to mention the deviation from "sluts" - women who refuse to sleep with a man is labeled a "bitch" or nowdays a "Stacy." Or if she doesn't want to sleep with anyone/wants to wait until later she's a "prude" or "frigid."

So in the eyes of men:

women who sleep with everyone: bad

women who sleep with no one: bad

women who choose who they want to sleep with: bad

Just can't win with their nutty logic.

I love this. I’m going to save it to a notepad.

Karen didn't start off as that type of an insult at all. It started in the Black community (like many things) and other people took it and ran, and used it to mean something else.

Gosh, I’ll forgive women who are the type to go along with any social trend but it really gets under my skin when I hear a man use Karen.

If a man enjoys laughing about Karens but I’ve never heard a single feminist comment or concern come out of his mouth he means nothing to me.

Its ageist as well, I think liberal feminism has a agenda in promoting ageism because it cuts young women off from the wisdom of their elders.

It's no coincidence that soon as a women is old enough to know something about the world and about themselves, society tries to frame her as being irrelevant. And young women which is basically "new women" who don't know themselves as well or what they want, are framed as most desirable.

Karen was fine when it was used as a anti racist term but it started doubling as a acceptable cover for people to speak their sexism and bias against older women.

Women do get more confident and assertive as they get older, it's a process we learn to stop giving a shit about what people think about us, how we look, wear or whether we're sufficiently friendly/coddling enough.

Damn right I will use my voice in public to stand up for myself and others, whether thats someone suspicious lurking in the neighbourhood, men being disruptive or discriminating service. May we all be Karens one day.

I hear Karen and I think of this skit, she's the fabled and dreaded "Outspoken Women" aka the Bad Women, no one wants to be "That Lady" until you need her, a analogy for Feminism herself and she's a damn hero. https://youtu.be/dMHxc7BOKTU

I just learned about "Standard shaming" on FDS today. Its when women shame other women for having high standards about their life, and their relasionships. Even so much as enjoying your life on your own terms. And it's because if you have higher standards than another woman who is insecure...since you aren't mirroring her low self esteem, its a threat to her own denial about her own self image and insecurity.

Since women are raised to believe they are inferior, need a man, should think less of themselves etc, any woman who has self-security and standards and boundaries is a threat to the paradigm of this scarcity mindset.

And yes, because of privilege, a lot of white women will have higher standards because they grew up with just sexism not racism + sexism. Or they grew up in more liberal homes (lots of POC cultures are extremely extremely misogynist.)

Women shaming white women (I've seen both POC and other white women doing this) over such small things like owning a dog or an octopus or having a hiking hobby etc, seems to be "standard shaming." It's insecure women finding any excuse to project their insecurities on women who have standards for themselves. Who enjoy their life. Who have boundaries, hobbies and are "high maintenance."

Also I'm sorry as an american, because us people from US are fucked in the head.

Just a thought though, it's because they are standard shaming. But they are cloaking it in woke culture.

Yep, this is a method men use to weaken feminist groups - divide and conquer. They like to highlight race/class differences as a distraction so we don't call them out on their crimes. They could choose to act like adults and own up to it and work with everyone to help create a better society but instead they hold us all back for the sake of the male ego.

I've heard and read black men say that white people cannot possibly understand what it's like not to be believed by their doctor. Uhhhhm, there is a whole body of research on women having their symptoms ignored, their pain inadequately treated, their physical problems chalked up to stress (formerly known as hysteria and nerves). Not to mention even deeper problems like women being systematically excluded from many clinical trials or forced to lose income and waste time making eighty million extra visits to redundantly demonstrate that they are still not pregnant because god forbid we trust a woman to fire up her lady brain, grasp the stakes and use birth control properly.

Congrats on finishing school! What level?

And I up voted right at the beginning, just because you remembered your sponsor so nicely.

And part of it is correct, I think: if women are infighting, we don't have time to fight the real enemy. And the thi g we can see the easiest - skin color - is usually the easiest thing to manipulate.

I hope you called her out if nothing else because no one wants people taking unsolicited photos of them so they can mock them for existing in public. For any reason. How awful and cruel.

That’s so sad :( I hope you aren’t still friends with that person.

They have a connotation of belonging to lower-middle class women too. It's classist, racist, and sexist, the holy trinity.

And nobody’s saying these alleged male equivalents should be raped or beaten or killed.

I believe this all started in the incel communities calling people beckys and chads. How on earth did everyone start going along with incels!?

If you point out the sexism of using Karen/etc as an insult people will give bs about how there's male equivalents (that no one ever uses) so it's totally equal!

To be fair...there's also Dick. 😂

Karen and Becky both Originated in the Black community. Felicia is literally from a movie, but also a significant part of Black culture.