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RaveMatt Taibbi lay into Democrats and gave us GC feminist a shout out
Posted June 28, 2022 by Lilith-Fair in WomensLiberation

This quote from his Substack article today:

For all that, I kept voting for Democrats, convinced by what seemed their last viable argument, which came down to the Supreme Court and the likelihood that a Democrat would nominate slightly less shitty judges than Republicans. Supposedly, if you care about issues like choice, and I am pro-choice, you had no choice but to vote blue.

This made sense until the party and its pals in media went on to spend all of the Trump years excommunicating pro-choice voices across the landscape, from Joe Rogan to Dave Chappelle to Tulsi Gabbard to, yes, Susan Sarandon and the would-be tip of the choice spear, i.e. gender-critical feminists now regularly denounced as TERFs. The Bush-era Republicans talked about “real Americans” and the current Democrats talk about “allies,” but it’s the same thing, an exclusive club you can be booted out of for any of a hundred reasons. At the very moment Democrats are claiming they need every last vote to defend the country against a fascist takeover, they’re hurling masses of people over the edge as heretics who otherwise would have been loyal voters. It’s a different species of madness from the one infecting Trump, but madness it is, nonetheless.

Taibbi is not our ally or anything. He's just a journalist doing his thing. But rarely do I see anyone acknowledging GC feminists like this so I wanted to share. And he's got a big audience.

20 comments

OwlJune 28, 2022

He's a good journalist. Great to see these comments.

thesnorkmaidenJune 28, 2022

Oh, yes. This is the perfect shout out, actually: taking an issue that libfems care about, and pointing out that they have been silencing a group that would have been working hard for this issue. More of this, please.

Lilith-Fair [OP]June 28, 2022

I love that he put us on par with Joe Rogan and Dave Chappelle too. Not like asses like Walsh and Rufo. We're "the would-be tip of the choice spear".

[Deleted]June 28, 2022(Edited June 28, 2022)

Link? Good for him. He seems to be at least listening to our GC position, as didn't he recently do a fair piece on Kara Dansky?
One of the main problems with the US is we have NO choice in voting: both political parties are so very awful. If we had viable third and fourth parties, which encouraged true issue discussion and debate, representing more of citizens diverse views, we might be in a better place. As it is, it is a false war between two extremes of the same bought off to the highest bidder, misogynist, capitalist party. A true women's party would be a start: the adult human female kind of woman.

Lilith-Fair [OP]June 28, 2022(Edited June 28, 2022)

It's only available on his paid Substack. There's a paywall. https://taibbi.substack.com/p/taking-the-neither-pill

The rest of the article isn't women related but just him trashing both parties so I didn't copy and paste the whole thing. Also, he didn't just do a piece on Kara. He interviewed her and made the entire interview free so everyone can read it.

grumpyjewishfeministJune 28, 2022(Edited June 28, 2022)

To make a women's party worth voting for, we need ranked choice voting. No one is voting third party with the current system.

LilithJune 28, 2022

That's really good news. Not enough voices on the left that are openly speaking about this stuff. I'll take what I can get.

Pro-woman means pro-choice and knowing what woman means. That's my line in the sand now. There are tons and TONS of other issues, but these two things to me says, "I'm a reasonable person, not a cult member. And I want to see women do well in society."

The other thing is it says is that someone is not beholden to their political party, at least if they are American, we just do not have any party that accepts both of these positions. Anyone with these views are willing to challenge the views of their peers and think differently, think things through or listen to other viewpoints. That also matters to me.

WatcherattheGatesJune 28, 2022

Mainstream-ish approval of terfs . . . very, very promising!

NovemberinthechairJune 28, 2022

He's a good reporter. He understands objectivity.

LunarMooseJune 28, 2022

Honestly, that's all I want in a reporter. I want them to dig relentlessly and be objective.

[Deleted]June 28, 2022

I wonder if a truly neutral news agency exists. It's so tiring trying to sift through news, picking apart who is benefiting or making money from what.

IshahchaiJune 28, 2022

During the Occupy era, I found Taibbi to be such a sanctimonious prick. Then he had his brush with cancellation and has become much more readable as a result.

Lilith-Fair [OP]June 28, 2022

I didn't discover him until recently with all the Woke shit festering the world so don't know what he was like before. I find his writing very witty. A lot of journalists can write and present a case with facts, but I think he has a special talent with words.

ProxyMusicJune 28, 2022(Edited June 28, 2022)

I recall his book Griftopia as really well-written. Very well reported and lots of vivid, insightful descriptions. When he was in Russia in the 1990s, he and the guy he was business partners with had a bad reputation as jerk frat boy misogynists and sexual harassers of women, but he seems to have grown up since then.

LilithJune 28, 2022

Just because he's a good writer, it doesn't mean he's changed from being a sexual harasser, if that's what he was before. So I am confused by your comment.

Lilith-Fair [OP]June 28, 2022

She's saying he's grown up. Taibbi is in his 50s now, and married with children. I've been following his writing for a while now and I haven't seen anything he said being anti-women or disrespectful to women. And for the record, I don't recall ANY left wing press giving the platform to Kara Dansky and helping her get her words out. Dansky has had to resort to going to Tucker Carlson for crying out loud.

I don't know anything about sexual harassment allegations. And I think on this site we ought to be extra careful about pinning someone as a harasser or abuser of women. Most of us lean toward believing the victim, and that's something that should be supported. But it's carrying out over to believing rumors and accusations by posters (not victims) who heard or read something from hearsay. We've been complaining about GC voices allying with conservatives. Someone on the left is finally giving us some daylight. Can we please try to give such outlets a benefit of doubt unless there's actually proof of something before we pin labels like sexual harassers?

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[Deleted]June 28, 2022

Did Taibbi ever take responsibility for all the nasty stuff he wrote about and did to women? I never saw it. When I inquired about this, he was happy to sic his nasty pack of Twitter dogs on me and I will NEVER forget it. Never.

Someone made a comment to me here that we shouldn't make purity tests. I have a couple and I will stick with them. A history of misogyny and normalization of violence toward women is one. (You tell me how frequently men actually change and what it looks like when they do.) And Putin mafia money and normalization of Russia-centered global corruption is another.

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