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[Deleted]November 14, 2021

Male on male violence is common is prison. Sounds like the guards who didn't intervene should be punished. They're not doing their jobs.

"Let's move them into women's prisons so only women are getting assaulted" is not the solution. Time for men to take care of their own shit.

freeradicalwomanNovember 15, 2021

Trans identifying male assaulted by male cellmate in an all-male prison. Read here for details about the epidemic problems of male violence.

(Crickets.)

HermioneNovember 15, 2021

I searched a bit, but couldn’t find what he was arrested for. I don’t want to pay one of this public records scammy sites. I saw on his go fund me (which was $10k goal, so he must have good health insurance that covered the rest of the hospital bills) that he was “wrongly arrested” for not letting police search his car.

Nothing more on what actually happened. Why they arrested him could be part of the police motive to put him in such a cell. They are clearly in the wrong to allow anyone to be beaten, be beaten for that long and then take that long to get him medical help.

Some might say it doesn’t matter what he was arrested for, this shouldn’t have happened, which is true. But if he was arrested on BS charges that makes their actions even worse, since he was targeted for only being trans. If he had some bad charges, this will support that there was still a strong motive by the police to see him beaten and weaken their claims that they didn’t target him.

So. Why not mention it?

TheWatcherNovember 15, 2021

I've heard that male prisoners really hate sex offenders and paedophiles. Maybe they saw a male dressing as a woman, asking to be housed with women and just acted per they normally would.

GenevieveNovember 15, 2021(Edited November 15, 2021)

How do they know the perpetrators were men? What if they're non-binary? What if they're fae gender? What if they're <Insert Sexuality Here>? How rude to assume the gender of these (possible) men(?)! Even though they are criminals that have committed a criminal act, their pronouns should be respected!!!!!1!! This article is dripping with transphobia! Literally shaking right now. LiTeRaL vIoLeNcE.

kassandraNovember 15, 2021

cry. me. a. river. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I don't care about what happens to TIMs. I really don't. not my problem to solve, keep them out of women's prisons. being a weak male unable to fend off more violent males doesn't make you a woman. ask Laverne I've Got A Cox to open an all TIM prison, he can use his time and money. fuck these dudes.

[Deleted]November 15, 2021

Men created their own problems and then try to blame and throw it all on us.

[Deleted]November 15, 2021

I agree. I don’t give a damn what happens to them.

[Deleted]November 14, 2021(Edited November 14, 2021)

They used to quarantine (lacking the right word) prison gay men who pretended to be women with one another, unless, like Richard Speck, who gave himself crude implants in prison, had the time of his life as the prison 'lady' in general population.

jelliknightNovember 14, 2021

Segregate is the word you're looking for. They do with cops, ex prison officers, elderly, disabled, famous, anyone who might be a target or extra vulnerable gets put with others like the them. They dont typically do the same for TIM inmates to my knowledge because they arent actually particularly vulnerable. Homosexual relationships among prisoners are common so "gay bashings" are very rare. TIMs arent physically vulnerable. Theres nit generally a reason to segregate them at all. But if its necessary for an individual or a group of course it can be done.

[Deleted]November 14, 2021

thank you, sis, tired ESL brain :)

SulphuricMirrorNovember 15, 2021

DIY implants? How tf….?

[Deleted]November 15, 2021(Edited November 15, 2021)

I am unsure, but there is video available on youtube. Perhaps wax or paraffin, this is what old school transsexuals would do before medical implants, or DIY. These injections would be done in the face or chest/hips/buttox, and would eventually melt or harden, to disaster.

edited: hormones smuggled in, I guess. My mother could have been killed by him, is why I am familiar; circumstance saved her.

Curious that in their zeal to trans historical figures, they forget this one.

SulphuricMirrorNovember 15, 2021

I'm so glad to hear your mother escaped harm from this man, hope you and your family are well. Thanks for the info, stuff like this really cements how not-right-in-the-head these guys are.

LunarMooseNovember 14, 2021

There is no reason on earth not to put this man in a cell with either other trans-identified persons or by himself.

The solution is not to put him with women.

AmareldysNovember 15, 2021

Well that is fucked up, the staff was present and did nothing?

HollyhockNovember 15, 2021

The unvarnished truth according to crime stats is men harm other men at higher rates than they harm women and children. The issue is, and always has been, male violence. ALL humans, and animals too, are at risk from violent men.

SulphuricMirrorNovember 15, 2021

Imagine earth without them. It would be practically a utopia.

[Deleted]November 14, 2021

This is a case of deputies failing to intervene in a fight. That is what should be addressed.

TervenofBitchesNovember 17, 2021

Okay, Daily Mail. Now do a piece on the regular male-identified men getting beaten up in men’s prisons. Or how about one on female prisoners being raped and impregnated by their biologically male cellmates?

bumpyjerboaNovember 15, 2021

What is with this phrasing?

put in a holding cell with three men against her [sic] wishes

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't being put in a holding cell always against someone's wishes, regardless of who else is occupying the cell?

RawSiennaNovember 15, 2021(Edited November 15, 2021)

Man assaulted by other men. News at 11.

mg2000December 25, 2021(Edited December 25, 2021)

it‘s interesting how they never speak about homosexual/effeminate men in prisons (they experience tons of violence in there). Noone expects women to welcome them in their prisons, so that they‘re safer. Because everyone knows, a vulnerable man is still a threat to women. Because it‘s a M A N. A man who calls himself a transwoman is still a man. The gaslighting is astronomical. He didn’t deserve this, but he still needs to stay in a men‘s prison. They should have made sure that he‘s protected and away from dangerous men.

GenderHereticAssigned2LegsABNovember 14, 2021(Edited November 15, 2021)

Where are the photos of women assaulted by TIMs in women's prisons? When we hear about it—and we're lucky we have heard anything at all, given the coverups taking place—there is no face for the women's suffering like there is with this man. Readers are being conditioned by selective portrayals of sympathy to empathise ONLY with TIMs who want women forcibly caged with them, and NOT those women who remain faceless and nameless.

RawSiennaNovember 15, 2021

Maybe daily mail can talk about the child killer locked up with women in Canada, because Canadian media won’t.

Omina_SentenziosaNovember 14, 2021

That never happens.

IrishTheFrenchieNovember 15, 2021

And when it does, you're a bigot for noticing.

LOriginedumondeNovember 14, 2021(Edited November 14, 2021)

Men who claim not to be men or otherwise vulnerable men should have the right to be held/housed in a segregated space within the MEN’S jail or prison if they so choose.

notyourfetishNovember 15, 2021(Edited November 15, 2021)

otherwise vulnerable men

But . . . I don't understand people who keep saying these men should be housed separately from other men. Why? What makes them more vulnerable than any other man? They are literally just men with a fetish who are getting beaten up the same as all men do in jail. There is nothing about them that is especially "vulnerable."

If GNC women aren't protected (when we literally ARE physically vulnerable), then why are GNC men special?

LOriginedumondeNovember 15, 2021

When I said “otherwise vulnerable men” I was referring to men with intellectual disabilities or some physical or mental condition that could cause them to be vulnerable if housed in gen pop. I’m sure there are some HSTS men who are at an increased risk of sexual violence in prison, but that doesn’t mean that they should be housed with women.

[Deleted]November 14, 2021

He was actually segregated at first. There needs to be an investigation into why he was moved and why the fight wasn't intervened.

LOriginedumondeNovember 15, 2021(Edited November 15, 2021)

An investigation definitely needs to happen. I never see any demands by TRAs to hold the corrections officers accountable when this happens on their watch. The solution is to hold them accountable, not move men into women’s prisons.

IrishTheFrenchieNovember 15, 2021

They never march/advocate/demonstrate for safer male prisons for men either.

LOriginedumondeNovember 15, 2021

Or for men to stop beating and killing them or allegedly assaulting them in the male bathrooms. They’ll never do that because their allegiance is to men because they are male.

IrishTheFrenchieNovember 15, 2021

Yep.

Can't point out all the male faults. Must focus on pointing fingers at women.

[Deleted]November 15, 2021

Their allegiance is to men more powerful than them, honestly. Men generally feel very little empathy even for other men less fortunate than them. Not to say that they're incapable of empathy, but I've noticed that even naturally empathetic men try to suppress it from an early age because they associate kindness with women, and god forbid they act like a woman.

LOriginedumondeNovember 15, 2021

It’s not due to empathy, but due to sexism. Shitty sexist men will always side with other men even if that man is beneath them. TIMs are so sexist that they won’t even call out their male “oppressors”, which is exactly why they blame everything done to them by men on women.

[Deleted]November 15, 2021

My point is that men only side with other men when it comes to putting down or silencing women. They don't actually experience empathy a lot of the time, even for each other. They don't give a fuck about male rape victims or male murder victims or male victims of violence UNLESS they can use them as ammo against women to claim "men have it worse and it's feminism's fault." They know they're the ones brutalizing each other, they just don't give a shit because they're so obsessed with making things worse for women rather than better for themselves.

I know it's rooted in sexism. So many male behaviors are, that's not new to me. But what's interesting is that their solidarity with each other typically arises in response to women. It's very weak if it's just them on their own. Tons of feminists put a lot of money and time and energy into helping women less fortunate than themselves, for no reasons other than empathy and female solidarity, but your average male doesn't seem to give a fuck about things like boys doing poorly in schools or male mental health stigma UNLESS it affects him specifically or he can use it for whataboutism.

TextureNovember 15, 2021

And they should. The majority of men in prison will enter society again. They should not be traumatized in prison, that is a risk to future public safety.

PearPuddinNovember 15, 2021

I'm sure the guards did it on purpose. They moved Frost to a cell with other men and watched him get beat up.

Now this is terrible and better treatment for prisoners is a no brainer. But this entire situation has nothing to do with women.

shewolfoffrance🦕November 14, 2021

You are absolutely right. This article implies that it's either/or. Either house him with women, or throw him to the (male) wolves. Gender non-conforming men don't need access to women to be safe from men. They can just be housed in their own facilities.

[Deleted]November 15, 2021

Lots of men end up in solitary for their own safety. No reason TIMs can't do the same.

WitchPleaseNovember 14, 2021

Men assaulting men while other men watch and let it happen. Sounds like a men problem to me.

wilmasNovember 14, 2021

It will be a woman's problem when they use this as an excuse to put them in cells with women.

WitchPleaseNovember 15, 2021

Yep. We have absolutely nothing to do with their bullshit, but once again, they'll dump men problems on women.

Carrots90Nepo LadyNovember 14, 2021

They need to give trans IDd males their own prison cell

Not sure why putting them in w women is the solution

With the strength difference between male and female the injuries would have been worse had it been a female placed in with 3 trans IDd males as could happen if they are moved by gender ID

JeSoPazzaNovember 15, 2021

As part of her recovery, she had to have ‘her mouth being wired shut’ for a long period of time, according to the lawsuit.

Now she knows what it feels like to be a terf.

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notyourfetishNovember 15, 2021

How many men in jail cells with other men suffer similar injuries but these same assaults don't make it into the news?

This is exactly what I thought and it's not callous at all.

Thousands of men beat each other up all the time in jail, but I'm supposed to feel sorry for one because he has a gender delusion? What makes him so different from the other men who get beaten up? His preference for pink? Boo hoo.

TIMs are men. They belong in the MEN'S prison. The end.

[Deleted]November 15, 2021

Ideally, our prison system would be much less violent for everyone, but as it is everyone gets roughed up in American prisons. Why don't they express this kind of pearl clutching about the teenage boys who end up there and are forcibly "transed" into some other inmate's bitch? Because that's a hell of a lot more common than a TIM ending up in male prison, nowadays.

[Deleted]November 15, 2021

Not callous. Why does he deserve to be housed with women? Because he has long hair? Because he wants to be housed with them? How does that make him different from other men?

Sylvia_BernNovember 15, 2021

I think it's the high waisted shorts?

belladonnaNovember 15, 2021

literally. this shit happens all the time.

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