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But I thought the hijab was so empowering? /s

I wish all the best to these brave women putting their lives on the line to protest against such an oppressive regime. I hope their protests inspires women in the West to reflect on their support of and the excuses they make for a religion that deems women less than second citizens. I want every person that says "but it's her choice" to feel shame for ignoring the many women for whom it is not and never has been a choice so they can virtual signal to the internet. Shame on you. Shove your "cultural relativism" up your ass.

This ‘it’s a choice’ is such a terrible argument. If by choosing not to do something, you will be shamed, seen as immoral, called names or whatever, then it’s not a choice really.

That was my first thought -- this really pokes a giant hole in the libfem argument that hijab are empowering. you love to see it!

my cousin took off her hijab and our family is constantly shaming her in every conversation about her. they call her "naked" but she just dresses in normal shirts and long pants. not even cropped.

I'm glad the pushback is being televised and written about. I've even seen the attempted normalization of niqab on Instagram 😱

That was my first thought too. Imagine leaving this crap behind just to discover the "free" countries' feminists are pro the oppressive head coverings as "empowering".

The Professional Feminists (Suzanne, Bindel, JCJ, WPUK, Stock) who believe in True Trans and think Islam is empowering to women and who cast Posie Parker as a racist for disagreeing have been getting dragged (finally!) by the few real women's rights activists still on Twitter.

Bindel et al never said Islam is empowering. They said 4 years ago that PP's tweet upon seeing school girls with hijabs that it was "disgusting" was "perjorative" and along with other PP statements might create a "hostile environment" for their Muslim attendees. WPUK recently republished their concerns because they have been twisted so often. https://womansplaceuk.org/2022/06/22/womans-place-and-posie-parker/

It’s only a choice in societies where you truly have freedom of religion. For example, I live in the US. There are no societal consequences for a religious woman who follows a religion that includes head covering and chooses not to do so. None. She might face some social or familial problems, but she will never have to worry about the government encouraging men to beat her because they saw a lock of hair.

Most of the women who say it’s a choice live in places where they do have freedom of religion. For them, it is a choice. That’s great for them, but it’s not the reality worldwide.

Honestly though, mentioning "familial pressure" off-handedly is not accurate in my experience and what i've seen- familial pressure is everything, especially in highly religious communities like Islam where your entire life is surrounded by people of the same belief system, who will shame you and even kill you just as an officer in some Islamic government would. How many MENA women do we see murdered by muslim men from their community because of the oppressive regime of religion? This specific act was carried out by the government, but it is as a whole enforced all the same by the men of the religion.

That kind of extreme familial pressure happens across many cultures. Controlling men will always kill women who don’t conform. It’s why I was specific in my post.

In a free country, women have the legal right to choose what religious customs they wish to engage in. The government is not arresting 22-year-old American women, beating them to death, then cutting off internet access to hide it from the world, all because some of her hair was showing. When American women say wearing a hijab is a choice, it’s because it is for them.

Do I think hair covering is regressive by definition? Ehhh. I do in cultures where it’s one-sided. I don’t in cultures where men and women are both expected to cover their heads.

Under the Shah, Iran was a largely cosmopolitan society in which many women were educated and held professional jobs at the highest levels, and most women did not wear hijab. Back in graduate school a million years ago, I read an article about the Iranian revolution and how women were enlisted into the cause and asked to wear hijab as a political statement. Of course the rest is misogynist history, but that article really stuck with me. Honestly, every time I see a woman in a headscarf, I think of how a whole generation of women were basically tricked into doing something voluntarily that would eventually become an oppressive demand.

Kinda like porn, sending nudes, and “sex work”. I’m so tired of the naivety around mens lizard assed machinations and manipulations over time.

It’s also a trend in the west. Young Muslim women whose mothers and grandmothers don’t wear hijab are now doing so mainly because it’s a visual symbol of identity.

a whole generation of women were basically tricked into doing something voluntarily that would eventually become an oppressive demand.

Great way of putting it. They were rebelling against Western control of their country via the Shah (who was horrible) and embracing Islam was an assertion of nationalism. Women should NEVER seek refuge in patriarchal religion - including contemporary US women who want to fight the trans agenda via anti feminist Xian nationalist orgs like Concerned Women for America and Alliance Defending Freedom. This will backfire on us.

This is what stunning and brave looks like. Wow. I really hope they are okay, as ludicrous as even hoping that is.

I'm in a group chat of people around the world who share recipes and a girl there just posted her own pictures of the protest and said they are shutting down internet so no one can really share what is happening. Glad at least that the BBC is showing the truth but it looks terrifying considering it's a bunch of young women and girls versus the riot cops. I am afraid many of them will be killed. There also are some men I could see in the crowd holding hands in the line closest the police.

Also, per a tweet from Beri Shalmashi:

Jina. Her name was Jina. That same regime that murdered her with the excuse of not being properly covered, that same regime does not allow Kurdish names. Mahsa was her formal name as Jina is forbidden. Call her Jina. Just as her mother calls her Jina, crying on her grave. Jina.

These women - and the men who support them - are so brave!

These women are so brave. I don't even know if I could be as brave as they are. I hope they are safe and protected, and they have my absolute admiration.

The videos are amazing, as is the fact so many men are standing in support of them. All of the protesters face a real risk of abuse and death, yet bravely fight for their freedoms. I wish them all safety and perseverance - hopefully it emboldens other women in nearby oppressive regimes, in a tidal wave of protests for rights.

This is what real bravery looks like. My heart goes out to these women. They know the dangers they face but they're facing them head on because their oppression is just that unbearable.

God be with these women who show true courage. I hope one day Iran can reclaim the greatness of its pre-Islamic culture.

I feel like the Western world interprets Muslim women's "silence" or lack of outright criticism as complicity or outright consent. To me it feels a lot like a "well she didn't say no so she said yes."

It gives me a lot of hope to see women collectively do this. That’s the only way it works.

This is what real bravery looks like. I hope they manage to stay safe despite what they are up against.

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