Not to mention the incestuous abuse that flourishes in strict patriarchal religious communities.
I hear a lot about how men aren’t shown sympathy and whatnot, but it’s quite easy to observe that social justice causes gain most support when male people are affected. Vegans talking about male chicks being ground up, anyone? (Female animals—the ones that are still murdered for food, and also the ones that live short lives being exploited for their reproductive systems—generally aren’t brought up for their own sake, but for people who want to argue with feminists.) People who worry about male celebrities’ private pictures being posted but joke about female celebrities’ nudes being circulated online? The intersectionality problem with BLM that Crenshaw talked about, where Black men get pushed to the forefront of the movement while Black women perform labor on behalf of the community and still obtain less publicity as victims of police violence?
Honestly, it seems like yet another social myth taken as fact by a society that wishes to justify upholding women’s oppression, like that custody myth circulated by MRAs. The latter’s been debunked time and time again, but men’s anecdotes and baseless speculations continue to be put on the same level as women’s statistics. It’s horrible, this patriarchal irrationality.
The intersectionality problem with BLM that Crenshaw talked about, where Black men get pushed to the forefront of the movement while Black women perform labor on behalf of the community and still obtain less publicity as victims of police violence?
Yeah ☹️
I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make about vegans here. Vegans bring up battery hens and milking cows all the time. That's kind of our bread and (dairy-free) butter. If we didn't care about the exploitation of female animals for their reproductive resources, we'd just stick to being vegetarian. Much easier.
Oh, I’m talking about the vegans I see who mention male chicks all the time but not the reproductive labor of female animals until they have something to say about feminism (and that’s the only time they mention female animals—as a supposed counterpoint to feminism, similar to “women in other countries have it worse, so why’re you complaining?”). I see a lot of that rhetoric from vegans who come to places like AskFeminists and badger the community about female reproductive rights (which I think is a lost cause, anyway, since a lot of them rebut those vegans by saying, “not all women are female”). Personally, I think veganism goes extremely well with social advocacy (that is, human rights), so I can’t understand vegans who still throw sexed slurs around, do what I mentioned with feminists, etc.
Like, there are sexist vegans, but vegans are constantly on about battery hens and milking cows. The ones who get upset if you connect reproductive coercion in animals and feminist ideas are usually other feminists, in my experience.
Vegans get a lot of shit and they don't tend to dish a lot out. Sometimes they say stupid stuff, but I ran a vegan/radfem Tumblr and I can't tell you how many fights I saw where feminists took exception to their struggle for liberation being likened to the abuses facing animals.
As a vegan, I'm not too fond of the "cows = women" analogy, tbh. Milk cows are not a "feminist" issue. Yes, it's reproductive function being exploited, but in animal agriculture, every animal is exploited in horrible ways. I don't think a cow needs "reproductive rights" like women do. Breeding animals for consumption has to stop, and these breeds that were solely bred to maximize food "production" should die out anyway, since they tend to have massive health problems. Humans created these breeds and it's the responsibility of humans to end their suffering. That a cow has the "right" not to be inseminated is the wrong kind of discussion imo.
I get what you're saying. I think there are meaningful connections to be drawn between the domination of women and female animals, the intersection between capitalism and patriarchy. I get why others don't want to draw the same parallel. It's great to get an immediate demonstration of what I said, haha. It's usually a feminist criticism of the connection rather than a vegan criticism.
It's not that women = cows, so much as it is that the patriarchy and capitalism will exploit and dominate even the most essential and sacred functions for their own pleasure. It's never been about "preserving the species" or biological imperatives or anything like that.
Women are supposed to be sexual objects.
So many religions believe that once a girls enters into puberty she's old enough to be in a relationship, marry, and have sexual relations with grown adult men. The US as western and more "modern" country still is struggling to end child brides. It's legal in most states. Sexualizing girls is so normalized all over the world. The culture, religion, and context around it may vary, but the act of sexualizing girls is there and usually considered socially acceptable.
Yes, you're spot on. But when the same thing happens to boys, then it becomes a problem that needs to be stopped to them. And even then they still don't care about girl's in the exact, same situation.
But it's a marriage! Marriage always involve love and respect! Are you trying to say that muslim are unable to love? Islamophobe!
For a long time I was under the impression that boys were the overwhelming victims of pedophilia. Male-controlled media just skews that way to associate pedophilia with traumatized boys. Girls and women are expected to be abused so it's only an injustice if a boy is subject to it. It makes me sick.
It is amazing how tight-knit men are as a class in this way. Even with all their tribalistic divisions, they center male class issues on every level across the board.