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White women responsible for gun violence, male informs the world
We will never end gun violence until white woman in the suburbs stop voting for the republicans who are endangering our schools and communities by flooding them with guns.
This is from the genius mind of one David Hogg on Twitter.
First of all, I think a little less than half of white women vote Republican. This has been a source of rage and anger from conservatives for a number of decades, now. They are pretty outraged that we're not committed Republicans like white men.
In fact, they often blame us for the failures of leftism. Whenever there is male street violence that involves a knife? "wHiTe wOmmYn vOteD fOr tHiS!"
Whenever there is male street violence that involves a gun? "wHiTe wOmmYn vOteD fOr tHiS!"
Even leftist men secretly resent that women can vote. And no, a stupid little clarification of "just white women though" doesn't mean anything.
Harriet Tubman was a suffragist, but her history as such has been muted. In the children's books I've read to my students about her, they mention in passing that she supported women's right to vote. She actually died two years in 1918, two years before women attained the right.
She put her life on the line countless times to save escaped slaves, bring abolition and save the nation. But when she wanted the humble right to vote, she was abandoned by activist men. Don't think for a minute they're different now.
I have problems with terms like "gun violence" and "street violence" without including the word "male." Nearly all of it is male.
When we exclude the word "male" people then start looking to lay the blame on women. On how women vote. On how women raise their sons alone when men walk out.
So sisters, I ask that we make this a meme, a term. It's not newspeak when it's accurate. Let's not call it gun violence anymore. Let's call it male gun violence. Male street violence (we can easily call it street violence when it's mixed during riots and such) and of course, male rape culture.
She put her life on the line countless times to save escaped slaves, bring abolition and save the nation. But when she wanted the humble right to vote, she was abandoned by activist men. Don't think for a minute they're different now.
This is how it is for female activists. Men are happy to use our labor and pretend to support us when it suits them. But the moment we ask for a little help in return, they turn on us.
Tubman saved countless lives. She saved many men from bandage. But they couldn't be bothered to advocate for her rights when she needed it
I watched the Parkland trial in full. Several white girls at his very school gave their lives trying to protect other students from being shot. An 18-year-old actually threw her body over a younger student in hopes of protecting her. The girl who she was trying to protect had had the opportunity to run from the WHITE MALE shooter but didn't because she was trying to help others. She was 14.
Most of the victims were white (or Jewish and we know how Ivy League kids feel about them!) and so were most of their families. They've campaigned tirelessly for gun control measures and even participated in a fucking months long trial in hopes raising awareness.
The shooter was a white dude. And he managed to find sympathy because he was a white dude with a sad story. Something that would not have happened to an Evil White Karen.
David Hogg is an odious little scum bucket who made himself famous off someone else's tragedy and every single one of those girls (many of whom were yes, WHITE) deserved decades more of life. But if they'd had it, privileged pricks like him would have started blaming them for all of societies' ills.
I'm sorry I'm getting angry about this but the trial broke me and seeing him use what happened to the kids and staff at MSDHS as an excuse to dunk on women pisses me off. The shooters are always MALE, you idiot. So white women are responsible for male anger and rage?! What is wrong with him? How can anyone be that stupid and hateful?
If you want to follow real gun control advocates, many of the parents and the victims families have charities and give speeches frequently. Do not raise this little misogynist's profile.
David Hogg is an asshole who uses the school shooting that happened near him as an excuse to be a creep and shut down anyone who disagrees with him. I recall him wishing some vile things on conservative and pro second amendment women. And I'll bet he routinely wishes death on TERFs as well
I hope people wake up, stop listening to this turd, and instead give airtime to gun control advocates who aren't unstable scrotes
This odious little prick. I was following him on Twitter until he made some "Why aren't white feminists outraged about blah blah blah. Silence means complicity"
He hates women and quite often makes these sorts of statements.
I tire of men who see the violence of their own sex and immediately look around for a woman to blame.
Most of these school shooters are white and with the exception of that one TIF all male. How is talking about that not more relevant to his cause?
1st rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.
https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/2174/the-rules-of-misogyny/
I'm not white but white males (by far the biggest Republican supporters) have zero blame? This is ridiculous.
Both the right and left think that white women owe them their votes.
I actually think the whole world would be better off if every group were swing voters. No one could take your vote for granted and would have to work harder to attain it.
I don't know, if they want my vote so bad maybe they should stop blaming me for everything.
Both the right and left think that white women owe them their votes.
Yes.
White men want white women's solidarity despite giving black men the right to vote before "their women" and throwing them under the bus constantly. They aren't owed anything.
Right?!
I was told that the Women's March were mostly white women who had regrets over voting for Trump. eyeroll emoji
Women’s pity and guilt are politically valuable and progressives are masters of exploiting it. A man with a gun is a hard target. It’s way easier to look at the unarmed, compassionate, reasonable woman next to him and say, in your most disapproving voice “SHAME ON YOU FOR LETTING HIM DO THAT,” and wait to see if she’ll fight your battle for you.
NPR was talking about "Central Park Karen" earlier thia week, and had the man on whom she called the police in for an interview, and he was going on about how unsafe he felt because all this white woman has to do is call the police and he might be killed 🥺 How evil and scary white women are 😮💨
Ah yes. Christian Cooper. Who was so scared of the White lady that he continued to threaten her and her dog while she was on the phone with the cops. The man who is such a victim of racism that he has spent years getting lucrative media gigs out of this petty spat while the "privileged White lady" is in exile due to death threats and her reputation being trashed.
Yeah, fuck that guy
White woman hate is entertainment. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be a glut of fake Karen videos on the internet. Men jerk-off to female humiliation, so just like porn, it’s everywhere.
Funny, considering NPR doesn’t even know what a woman is most of the time… unless they need to shit on actual women, then they suddenly remember.
That guy threatened her dog....if I'm thinking of the right scenario. Later a black man said he threatened his dog too. And that guy got her fired from her job once the video went viral. All he had to do was complain about her and she lost her livelihood.
She also had to flee the country and is apparently living as a recluse, according to a podcast she was featured on.
Do you have the link, or remember the title? I’d be interested to listen.
Podcast link: https://open.spotify.com/episode/67KFYspiVXV2ZmkDMoSUwV
Same outfit (The Free Press) article by Megan Phelps-Roper: https://www.thefp.com/p/the-real-story-of-the-central-park
Thank you for this, just gave it a listen. My god, Christian Cooper already sounded like an unhinged narcissist even before he harassed this woman. If anyone was a “Karen” it’s this aggro idiot who walked around Central Park starting fights with multiple people because he dislikes dog walkers and acted he owned the goddamn place.
right. And all they have to do is one sharp sucker punch to the head, we hit the pavement and are dead. No police needed!
Men in general who desperately want a demographic of women they can blame for everything are garbage—but white males talking about “white feminism” in particular can go play in traffic. Fuck that MRA-tier bullshit.
Y’know, I probably wouldn’t have ever owned a gun if my father hadn’t brought me one and insisted that I learn to use it. And the more misogyny and unhinged justification for violence I see coming from the left, the more I see the value in guns for self-defense.
I wonder which sex is more likely to vote republican? Which sex is more likely to have an unhealthy obsession with murder weapons? Which sex commits the most murders? Which sex passes laws that say you can legally carry an automatic weapon and blocks bills that try to put a damper on gun violence because of mUh RiGhTs?
I bet it's the women!
You know if there were any critical mass of female shooters they’d be discussing “female gun violence” in a heartbeat. 🙄
Yeah, umm..white men are just desperately pointing fingers at white women (the socially acceptable witch to burn) to keep the heat off themselves.
And as far as rampant male violence, I'm thinking that we desperately need a human version of what happened to that alpha male baboon troop back in the 80's. It MIGHT help. Other than that, I'm all out of ideas at this point. Men are a lost cause.
And as far as rampant male violence, I'm thinking that we desperately need a human version of what happened to that alpha male baboon troop back in the 80's. It MIGHT help. Other than that, I'm all out of ideas at this point. Men are a lost cause.
I really really am curious what the results would be if somehow a similar scenario happened to occur in human society. Realistically speaking, there's no way something like that could be implemented in the context of western cultural/societal standards, but it's wishful thinking to ponder about it.
Couple of questions/thought experiments - I have no idea what the answers are, but I wonder.
I've read that the medieval Christian church ended up removing a good proportion of the 'best' (most intelligent, kindest, most public-spirited) men from reproductive circulation when they became priests, thus leaving more selfish/violent men to reproduce.
Back when a higher proportion of men died in warfare or other intra-male violence that might have helped to weed out the most violent men from reproducing. I wonder if men in general are becoming more violent because a smaller proportion of violent men are actually killed by violent activity now.
I wonder as well. Interesting about the thing with the priests in the medieval era. In the present day, there's probably not an "acceptable" way to try and cause the kindest, intelligent and public-spirited men to reproduce more while also decreasing how much selfish/violent men reproduce. I think there were some other comments on this post mentioning this as a part of why abortion access is important, so that women can have an abortion if they were raped, so that the rapist does not get to reproduce.
Many of the theoretical solutions (like summarily executing the most violent men to replicate a similar scenario like what happened to the baboons) to broadly decrease male violence just seem too totalitarian to be acceptable in western society.
The part about warfare and other intra-male violence is also interesting to think about. The situation with the baboons demonstrates that the most violent males influenced the overall culture of the baboon group, but once they were gone, the other remaining baboons could live more peacefully. If this also applies to human male violence, then the most violent men in society influence (whether directly and/or indirectly) other men to be more violent than they would be otherwise.
I wonder if societies become more peaceful in the aftermath of large-scale warfare, at least for a period of time until whenever the next war breaks out. They could become more peaceful partly because many violent men got killed off in the war, and also perhaps because the war makes people confront the horrors of war and then they think "we need to eschew violence because look where it gets us -- massively destructive wars." Maybe there's been research on this already but I'd have to go look for it.
Also about the intra-male violence, here's a theoretical scenario: a (more) violent man does violence against another man, this second man happens to be less/not violent. Let's say the violent man kills the non-violent man (who dies due to not being violent enough, basically), which means there's one less nonviolent man in existence. So deaths from intra-male violence doesn't necessarily result in more violent men being the ones who get killed off.
'Let's say the violent man kills the non-violent man (who dies due to not being violent enough, basically), which means there's one less nonviolent man in existence. So deaths from intra-male violence doesn't necessarily result in more violent men being the ones who get killed off.' Good point - warfare or intramale violence could lead to more violent men (the ones who survive) reproducing, not fewer.
this is a purely imaginary scenario and seems very barbaric, but it's making me envision some kind of fight club where a bunch of violent men are collected and set against each other in fights to the death, so they'll mutually destroy each other (instead of doing violence against women or nonviolent men). the winner of each fight goes on to fight another round, and so on until only one man remains, who is then executed.
LOL I like the end of this scenario. I wonder now if this might be related to the Celtic tradition of sacrificing the 'harvest king', or whatever they might have called him.
'In the present day, there's probably not an "acceptable" way to try and cause the kindest, intelligent and public-spirited men to reproduce more while also decreasing how much selfish/violent men reproduce.' I think there actually is, and it's called FDS.
I just find it interesting that both sides want to blame us for everything but neither side ever makes themselves more favorable for us. They both just shit on us and expect us to support them anyway. I'm over it.
Yes, white women are blamed by the left for Trump and by the right for wokeness. Both sides hate women. You can say any misogynistic thing about women as long as you preface it with with ‘white’.
I was just watching a 48 Hours episode on Bryan Patrick Miller aka "The Zombie Hunter" whose defense claimed he was mentally ill due to years of abuse at the hands of his mother, and that's why he murdered and raped. In other words, he is the innocent victim and it's his dead mother who went out stalking women.
This kind of reasoning didn’t pan out for Aileen Wuornos
It never does for women. It only goes one way. I want to support male survivors of CSA. I understand there may be a stigma for men, but I think we care more about (SA) when it happens to men bc it’s seen as a tragedy while for women it’s just part of our lives. I’ve also seen men use it deflectively. John Stamos says he was abused by a babysitter, but previous to this, he’s joked about raping a woman and has made several sexualized comments about the Olsen twins. There’s a whisper network that he’s a creep and serial harasser. I have soured on men who trash their ex-wife too.
Ugh it doesn't surprise me that Stamos is a creep. I saw he called Rebecca Romijn the devil in his memoir when she's said nothing but nice things about him. Apparently he was mad that her career was taking off while his was slowing down. Men seriously can't handle when a woman is more successful than them.
Murderers always blame their moms. Mommy was mean to them once so they just had to go out murdering and raping women.
I thought this thread was going to be about the Maine shooters mom tbh.
This happens so often. Even for grown adult men.
Ted Bundy had mommy issues so his crimes are his mother's fault. I've seen this argument.
I guess for them it makes sense. If you are narcissistic enough to do that, then any offence to you, real or perceived, is what counts the most in your eyes.
Funny how suddenly men who want to be called women aren't considered women when women are being blamed for something. Weird 🤔
I just replied to the odious little man. That perhaps he would get further scrutinizing the voting patterns of white males along with the white male propensity for mass murdering strangers.
The "I don't feel bad for women because they voted for this" narrative oozes with misogony. If the people (mostly men) who claim thought with reason, they would come to the conclusion that; of course there is much more nuance. It's not just politics that cause these issues. It's an intricate web woven by our entire society.
They don't want to think with reason. They want to believe this because it justifies their confirmation bias. At the root of it I think it's largely that they just don't want women to vote.
I always thought he was a little asshole, and this only confirms it.
White women are the problem?
From the little bit I’ve seen, it sounds like he’s a narcissist taking advantage of the fact that he was present at a school shooting to make himself famous.
I'm not saying he wasn't seriously affected, but he wasn't anywhere near the shootings. His parents are well heeled, and helped make him the spokesperson that he is. That little twerp didn't get where he is as a social justice warrior on his own hard work and charisma.
Women being made responsible for males actions pt. 48959948
It doesn't even make any sense. White women vote > more Republican politicians > more guns > school shootings. Is it supposed to be an example of how men are more logical?
Right wingers say the same about liberal women for voting for weak on crime Democrats.
Men aren't being policed and incarcerated -> vagrancy, drugs, and crime run rampant. All because of these woke feminist liberal white women.
Right wingers say the same about liberal women for voting for weak on crime Democrats.
Yep. When liberal women are raped, robbed, assaulted, or killed; right wing men LOVE to gloat about her "getting what she voted for"
At some point in the future these men will intersect on the thing they can both agree on - that women shouldn't have political power or voting rights.
No, see. That's not right. *White women shouldn't have political power or voting rights. Black women can occupy a small amount of space, only insofar as they remain obedient and adequately submissive. "Woke" benefits from fetishizing their suffering.
How do we prevent this?
It is not a problem you have to solve or think about it if you can blame it on women.
I thought this was going to be about the Maine shooter & how his mother was a bad mom & therefore responsible.
My thing is why single out women for something s man did? Why single out white women for something a white man did?
But say what you will about Republican women, NO WOMEN OF ANY POLITICAL AFFILIATION commit mass shootings like men.
The last female mass shooter was a TIF, that most likely a liberal democrat iirc. There was a lot of news coverage because it was specifically an attack by a trans person for alleged transphobia from her childhood!
She went to her old school & killed people who had nothing to do with her.
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In fact, they often blame us for the failures of leftism. Whenever there is male street violence that involves a knife? "wHiTe wOmmYn vOteD fOr tHiS!"
This is a good point I missed. When white women vote for Democrats that have these soft on crime policies. They get blamed for that. Like that poor man, Ryan Carson, who was stabbed in NYC by a repeat offender.
There was so much nastiness surrounding his death. So many comments stating this is what liberals vote for. What do you expect?
I respect the work David and his classmates have done on gun violence, but this take ain’t it. Hopefully he grows up and can call male violence what it is.
Hogg has hurt the gun control cause more than he has helped it. He's such a smarmy, misogynistic asshole that he makes the NRA seem warm & cuddly by comparison
David is at the forefront because his parents are well heeled who guided him in his gun violence crusade.
In fact, he was far from the shooting, and if I'm not mistaken wasn't even in the main building when the shooting occurred. I've never liked him. There were two or three young women who were much more affected, very eloquent, but this twerp used his parents to push himself to the forefront.
I’ve never liked the little weasel. Found him and his “determined” sideways smirk face to be ever so cringe.
David hasn't done shit. He's there to support David and only David.
His classmates and the victims' families have done actual work and yet the media insists on shoving the camera is this little imbecile's face at every chance. It's like they want "gun control" to be linked to an absolute idiot. He's done the NRA more favors that anything.
He's done the NRA more favors that anything.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was on the NRA payroll
You're very charitable, more than I am. If he doesn't understand that men are the ones who commit the vast majority of murders, then he doesn't understand how any of this works.
White women responsible for gun violence, male informs the world
This title is worth it's own space on Ovarit.
David Hogg on Twitter.
He's this guy (white btw):
Harriet Tubman was a suffragist, but her history as such has been muted. In the children's books I've read to my students about her, they mention in passing that she supported women's right to vote... She put her life on the line countless times to save escaped slaves, bring abolition and save the nation. But when she wanted the humble right to vote, she was abandoned by activist men. Don't think for a minute they're different now.
Yes.
Harriet Tubman was fucking badass.
SERIOUSLY. I learned about her in elementary school and I didn't even KNOW how badass.
She set fire to plantations during the civil war. This little tiny woman who was maybe five feet tall. Who couldn't read. Who had a dented skull and brain trauma from this overseer man, and who could pass out at any time (it's where her visions or 'spells' came from and why her enslavers had to let her make her own schedule).
I only just found out there's a movie about her:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_(film)
Our local library is showing it soon.
Yes 100%. I remind my husband every time he uses the word "people" to talk about something violent in the news and say, "Which people? Are women doing this?" And it drives him nuts.
Nobody will name the problem because men have tricked everyone into thinking males are default people instead of a demographic. Another way to get out of accountability.
Wow! Never thought of it like that!!
I'm into true crime and its eye-rolling reading or hearing all of the "people are so evil" comments when 99% of the cases are male perpetrators.
I do this too and it annoys people so much. My mom will b like "people are sick" while listening to true crime, and I say "people?" she gets so annoyed for some reason.
"Hey, I just found this new website called SingleTransWomenNearMe.com! It's full of all these amazing people!"
"... People?"
CANCELLED!
Me too but with family and friends. People (of both kinds lol) tend to get upset but it’s the truth and it should get talked about. What pisses me off most is when the news does it. There’s so much talk about the increasing violence caused by “vulnerable young people” in my country. Like name the fucking problem, you cowards.
Good for you! That's why I want to switch it from "gun violence" to "male gun violence." It will make people uncomfortable. Uncomfortable people will squawk about it, at which point you can ask them why they think it's inaccurate.
I don't think it even needs to be said, we all know that the vast majority of gun violence is perpetrated by men.
If that is so, then why does it upset people to add 'male' to the sentence?
It's cognitive dissonance.
People are distancing themselves from the truth, because it makes them uncomfortable to admit it. When we name the problem, they are forced to look at it.
Which is important, because it's not "people" doing this, it's men. And that is highly relevant, among other things when we discuss democracy, law, women's spaces etc.
Men, as a group, are dangerous. Society needs to take it into account. Voters need to take it into account.
I once wrote to a website that tracks school shootings by just about every parameter you can think of: how many perps; age & class of perps; kind of weapon(s); what time of day; whereabouts in the school shooting(s) happened; etc. Except one.
Yes, you guessed it.
Response from site: »crickets«
Good. Do it more.
Good. I bite my tounge 90÷ of the time. Just because it starts conflicts. But it is true.