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DiscussionWhat do you think of censorship?
Posted April 25, 2024 by spinningintellect in WomensLiberation

What do you think of censorship, and when is it justified? What qualifies as “censorship” and what is just keeping people on topic/enabling productive conversation? If the purpose of free speech is to ensure that the best ideas can “win” and be enacted into our society, then does censoring “bad” ideas become acceptable? If that’s not the purpose of free speech, then what is it for?

Is the reason censorship is bad because human beings cannot be trusted to be responsible with that power, even if some censorship would be beneficial?

If we accept the internet as a sort of public town square, particularly social media, does that mean that moderation of comments qualifies as censorship? I notice that even “free speech absolutists” have rules about who is allowed to talk and when and what about in order to further discussion. If this is acceptable censorship, what is it that justifies it?

The impact cancel culture has had on our society is immense, but cancel culture’s primary method of suppression is social, not through official channels. People are afraid to speak up because they don’t want to lose their support structure, but we can’t exactly pressure people to continue being friends with others they find morally repulsive. Do you have any ideas about how we can undo cancel culture, however vague? Are there any good things about cancel culture?

I know there are a lot of questions here, thank you for bearing with me. I am trying to figure out my position on free speech and censorship, and figured that the clever ladies here might have some insight.

I’m genuinely curious to read your responses, even if you can’t answer all my questions. Thank you!

9 comments

IrishTheFrenchienon-cis logicOctober 14, 2021

Laws against TIMs hurt lesbians?

I really dont think so, bro.

[Deleted]October 14, 2021

I wish there were fucking laws against TIMs.

JeSoPazzaOctober 14, 2021

I think it's another desperate ploy: make lesbians so grateful for their help they'll want to sleep with them. Even have their children!

The reasoning, if you can call it that, seems to go something like: 'All racists are cis; some racists think some WOC are not beautiful; all cis people think all TW are not beautiful; so, all cis people are racists as well as transphobic.' It's like term logic on acid with a touch of ADHD.

[Deleted]October 14, 2021

Which leads to the question “So why are you TIMs so desperate for these evil racist transphobic cis women to fuck you?” Which of course he wouldn’t answer because it’s rape by coercion he’s after.

BlackCirce🔮 🐖 🐖 🐖 🐖October 14, 2021(Edited October 14, 2021)

Passing is not a concept in radical feminism I don’t know why they keep bringing it up as if we invented it.

“Passing as female” is something from the transgender/transsexual world. Passing as female is a goal that some transsexuals have because they despise their own sex.

Radical feminists don’t have a list of things women need to have or do to “pass” as female and thus be considered women. We often talk about the myriad ways that men and women physically differ but only because transgenderists started claiming they could become us.

If you’re a human female adult you are a woman. It’s a simple, liberating philosophy. It’s the trans, traditional and liberal feminist communities that have all these requirements and rules and strategies on what someone has to do to become a woman or pass as a woman or be a “real” woman.

Every-Man-His-Own-FootballOctober 15, 2021(Edited October 15, 2021)

“Passing as female” is something from the transgender/transsexual world. Passing as female is a goal that some transsexuals have because they despise their own sex.

Sex dysphoria in men might be caused by male sexual violence, but I doubt even a significant percentage of TIMs hate their own sex. By and large, TIMs are obsessed with "passing" because it's part of their sex drive -- both the autogynephiles and the gay TIMs who do it to attract men. I suspect the majority of those 5-10% of TIMs who do get their penis inverted are convinced it will increase their sexual pleasure.

(I use sex dypshoria to emphasize what gender dysphoria used to be defined by: the persistent wish to be rid of one's genitals.)

HollyhockOctober 14, 2021

They are always so fucking racist.

And what the fuck is 'gender presentation standards'?!?!?

[Deleted]October 15, 2021

In this fantasy world where men could ever in a million years pass as women, and somehow despite a million years of humans always being able to tell that WOC are women, we suddenly no longer can.

There is no litmus test. Everyone can always tell when a man is pretending to be a woman. The only women I personally can't tell are actually not men are TIFs who use T and have an apple body type. And I don't think these TIFs should use women's facilities for this reason, even if they are technically entitled to.

7yearbitchOctober 15, 2021

god, these people are so fucking dumb lol. how do they not recognize the inherent racism in such comments?? it truly boggles the mind.