Made a list of why I’m giving up on men to bring to the therapist.
….i HATE HATING MEN.
I hate hating anything! But I hate what they do, and I hate that none of them seem to want to acknowledge why. Anyway - here’s the list.
If even 1/4 of these things are worth being upset over, I feel like we could cry and gnash our teeth forever.
Thanks for reading! Feel free to share with as many women as you can.
The fact that they all assume they’re experts in everything
The fact that they all assume they’re smarter than me immediately
The fact that they allow and use slurs to divide women like Karen, Pick Me, Terf, The Main Character, SWERF, prude, slut bitch
The only slur they have is incel which relies on the premise that they’re entitled to sex
Moms are expected to be perfect and if she makes a mistake she’s a bad mom. Dads are considered perfect despite their mistakes and even being a poor parent
They think sex is a service
They cannot have a magic sexual moral barrier that divides children from teens from women. I refuse to believe it. And the media sexualizes kids and infantilizes female sexuality… so what now?
That porn is so normalized and teen is a category and yet we can’t check a man’s porn viewing history before allowing them to coach, treat, or be alone with vulnerable people.
That some will and can and do have sex with corpses. That deadness is sexualized in fashion photography as arousing
That choking has become normalized in porn
That we know porn becomes increasingly more extreme through algorithm and capitalism
That they hide behind plausible deniability and think we are too stupid to see it - like the devils advocate position
That they convince themselves their plausible deniability is a moral standard
That even the normal married ones with little girls for kids are shitty
That they think their pleasure overrides the civil rights of a person
That they believe consent magically changes abuse into kink
That they don’t even know what misogyny is
That they think misandry is somehow comparable
That they think my hurting their feelings or making them feel uncomfortable is a violent act. That pointing out violence makes me the violent one.
That they defend Johnny Depp
That they’re afraid of false accusations
That they defend the reputations of men they haven’t met more than the reality of the women who report them lmao
They don’t take care of themselves physically
They can choose to be civilized but use animal evo psychology to defend subhuman actions
They believe that women’s sexuality is an economy for them
They created religion to usurp creative power from women
They convinced other men that humans came from a man’s rib, from a patriarchal god, when literally no man has NOT come through and from a woman.
They have sexualized every aspect of women’s existence including pain and crying
They’ve convinced women that empowerment is a feeling and not a change in power position
They blame their antisocial loneliness epidemic on us
The tried to use the Love Languages on us
They created psychiatry as a way to at least in part control women just as they created medicine to control and destroy midwives
They place the locus of responsibility outside themselves which makes them perpetual victims
They created purity culture
They created porn culture
They buy and use and masturbate to trafficked and vulnerable women and it doesn’t matter to them
They corner me in the workplace
They are always looking at us - I want to not be perceived sexually at all
They use women for all of their emotional dumping and we aren’t certified to handle it
They resent our happiness (shaming it)
We had to create laws to keep them from marrying and having sex with kids. Like, everywhere. We haven’t even succeeded globally
They hold women in power to an entirely separate standard than men
They’re lazy
They can solve complex problems and be incentive and self-improving at work, but are seemingly really incapable of doing this for relationships
They won’t see something unless it directly impacts them personally
They are emotionally unintelligent
They are violent
They are wilfully ignorant of the constant threat of sexual violence women face
They are making and using technology to get past consent
They believe women have a use value
They’re lying when they say they can’t show emotions : art, culture, music, etc belie this. And this is aside from the fact that we acknowledge their pride, nationalism, anger, boorishness, sulkishness, entitlement, jealousy, etc. these are emotions too.
They use power to get or pressure or coerce sex
They don’t mentor women professionally unless they’re sexually attracted to them physically
They’re bad and aggressive drivers
They’re predatory and some don’t know it ???????
They play dumb
They owe us reparations and refuse to even consider this - we were left out of Das Kapital
They try to turn their wives into their mothers
They moderate men and women differently in social media spaces
We can’t trust them as soldiers or peace corps
We can’t trust them alone with kids period - who do we tell kids to go to if they’re lost?!!
That they’ve turned violence into sex “body count” “fuck the shit out of you”
We can’t be honest with them - we have to tiptoe around them
I’m pissed more men aren’t speaking out about the obvious loss of civil rights of women globally - what the hell! It makes me believe that they kinda want it to happen (plausible deniability of course) because like it’s not gonna hurt them right?
At any given time I could pull up incidents where instead of intervening while a woman is being assaulted, the assault is filmed by other men. The reverse simply doesn’t happen.
They love borrowed authority
I hate them because when they ask “what do you want me to do about it?” And you say the most slacktivist thing, they won’t even do that. They’ll do NOTHING.
Because the most unsafe place for a woman in the world is the home
Because a woman is killed by an intimate partner globally every 11 minutes
Because the number one cause of death for pregnant women in the states is murder
Because they believe their morals are their best intentions. It’s like they all think they’re brave but he’s anyone done anything brave ?
They use weaponized incompetence to control people and be lazy
They believe sexism is benevolence
Because someone taught them that it’s the thought that counts and it almost never is the thought that counts
That gang rape is a thing
Because only a handful of men have most of the global wealth
They move goalposts: you can say what your experience is but they’ll discount it as one. You can say it’s others that have experienced the same thing and they’ll discount it as over represented.
There’s no acceptable way to be really angry with them, and express that, as a woman
They feel comfortable making comments about women’s physical appearance, touching us without our consent and bank on us not rocking the boat.
They refuse to believe in the wage gap
We could have child care as being mandated but because women are primary childcare givers, we don’t have this.
Medicine was only tested on both genders recently because it was too difficult to do apparently
Our medical issues aren’t taken seriously
Mass shooters are almost exclusively men
Because they moan about suicide rates and forget to mention all the women and kids and sometimes strangers that suicidal men take with them
They believe they’re entitled to sex - through payment guilt or force
They rarely care about what girls think unless they have a daughter
Cultures abort girl babies and before they just exposed them to the elements. As a result there’s India and China and the Middle East Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan Vietnam etc there are more men than women
They don’t stop female genital mutilation. And they could if they wanted to.
More than 100 million women are missing - the shortfall of the number of women in the world we would expect in the absence of sex discrimination
They desire us to be dependent on them. Independence terrifies them.
They let women leave the workforce during the pandemic.
They see male history, male writing, male law as standard and they aren’t. They’d freak out if the USA had 9 woman Supreme Court justices
They are more sexist than even racist
Male over female Domination is the first and most primal form of oppression
Prostitution is the first form of trafficking not the worlds oldest profession
They can compartmentalize the pain of others - especially if it doesn’t impact them or their family (their own private kingdom)
Every man assumes he’s the king and grows up taught that they deserve to own things, people and property
They see women as girls all as potential sexual objects. Especially if they’re mad.
They treat sex workers as a different class
Women don’t keep men as sex slaves
They’ve made the law such that women cannot logistically perform murder itself defence
They say porn is free speech and that it’s not real when it’s convenient
Despite all of this: all of the proof and every experience logged and litigated… that they don’t believe that women still are being oppressed under male supremacy.
Because someone has said it’s okay for drag queens to use “bitch serving cunt” as an expression of femininity- and claim it’s not misogynistic
No sympathy here. They would have known this is a typical outcome with these surgeries if they bothered to research first and didn't let their brothers in arms delete any truthful discussion on these surgical outcomes.
Cutting your healthy genitals off is a bad idea, who knew?
He's probably spent $100,000 on this attempt to appropriate femaleness for himself. Much of that NOT out of his own pocket. He's encouraged others to get surgeries. He supports childhood transition. He supports males in female sports teams.
Yes, what he did to himself is a tragedy. It's an atrocity that doctors are free to do this to people.
I don't wish pain on him, I hope he gets better.
But it was his own misogyny that drove him here, and on that score he has not improved.
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suicide averted
If only this were true. Seen one too many people with the pain from these complications mention that they are now seriously considering euthanasia :(
I find myself wondering sometimes if suicide by "medically assisted death" arising from medical mutilation is on some unspoken level one of the expected outcomes.
Certainly many of the damaged victims of these practitioners of medical mutilation (hormonal as well as surgical), desperate for any kind of improvement in their situation, are likely to provide "human lab animals" for further gender / transhuman experimentation in future.
If anyone was curious about what he looked like before: example one | example two | example three. In that first before photo he has a little bit of a Tucker Carlson hairstyle going on lol.
He actually looked fairly decent before, but his after photos look like they're rather filtered. There's a sameness to them that's probably a filter. Plus he's evidently a big fan of using an angle that looks right down his shirt with an emphasis on his moobs. In other comments he said he's had facial surgery done too: he posted before and after photos taken by the surgeon.
He said he had these procedures done: > "First round: Hairline lowering, type III forehead reconstruction, brow lift, rhinoplasty, fat transfer to cheeks and lips, jaw shaving, genioplasty, and trach shave
Second round: Additional forehead burring/rounding out, additional brow lift, additional fat transfer to lips, creation of skin flap on chin (to get rid of cleft), and liposuction under jaw"
He had a somewhat daintier face to start with compared to a lot of TIMs though. He also posted a photo of him two years pre-transition, with a different hairstyle and facial hair. He looks pretty different in that one. He also said he had a BBL surgery: "Fat transfers are amazing for transition. Did it for my cheeks and lips during FFS. Then BBL for hips, outer thighs, and butt. Adds so much shape."
Apparently his partner is also trans, a TIF, and they swapped clothes when she (the TIF partner) transitioned. It's so ridiculous to think about; you can borrow your boyfriend's clothes without transing yourself. Women have been borrowing their boyfriend/husband's clothes for decades.
Lots of men have more delicate bone structure in their 20s. A man's bone structure becomes heavier and more pronounced in middle age. I suppose most of these guys don't understand that.
Thanks for the links and doing that investigating. This guy really loves to get surgery.
You're welcome. He really does seem to be keen on surgeries. I wonder how much all of it has cost so far. Though apparently he's been able to get most of the cost covered via health insurance, at least for the facial surgery: "For my primary surgery with DB for example I was able to get over 80% of his professional fee paid for out of network with my insurance. It takes a lot of due diligence and work but it can happen."
DB is the surgeon who did the facial surgery/ies, Jordan Deschamps-Braly. He was interviewed in 2018; part of that article says:
"The surgery can cost from $40,000 to upwards of $60,000 and is rarely covered by insurance. But patients say Deschamps-Braly is worth the cost. His high-quality work stands apart (undoing botched operations by other surgeons accounts for about 20-30 per cent of his surgery on transgender people)"
holy fuck that's a lot. I can't get the article to archive and there's a paywall, so the quote is just from a preview snippet I saw in the search results.
Wow, I remember this guy from when I used to follow the r/MTF subreddit. I remember thinking that he and his partner look like each other, I had no idea she was a TIF. He actually seemed kind of nice and not as brain-rotted as some of the other AGPs. I do feel bad for him, there isn’t any coming back from vaginoplasty.
oh interesting, how long ago was that? Based on his post/comment history, he's been transitioned since about two (maybe closer to three?) years ago. The account history for this particular account only goes back a year, but in comments/posts he mentions how long it had been since he started taking hormones. Did he previously have a different account?
I agree that based on what he's posted, he doesn't necessarily seem "as brain-rotted as some of the other AGPs" but maybe he's just better at hiding it.
That jaw shaving really gives his face a downright creepy vibe, imho - like, that "your face looks unnaturally edited" look from the uncanny valley.
He called the wound between his legs a canal!? Like a birth canal? Oh, for God’s sake.
Transcript:
Dr. Min Jun Made Me Feel Ashamed of My Body
I’ve talked about the issues I’ve had with Dr. Jun and my Vaginoplasty but what occurred yesterday caused me even more harm. I asked for a post-op appointment because my quality of life is terrible even 5 months post op. I pee absolutely everywhere (all over my legs, rear, etc regardless of sitting position), my canal is extremely painful especially at the entrance where there is excessive scar tissue making every dilation session hell, and aesthetically its just not correct. Regardless of what had happened I needed a post-op with the original surgeon, I need my life back.
I wanted to talk to Dr. Jun before the appointment to clear the air a bit and for me to feel comfortable opening my legs up in front of a doctor who had verbally abused me in the past. Instead of this happening he barraged me in the meeting by saying he was not comfortable ever operating on me again regardless of revision needs. I was a mess and just broke down crying in front of all 3 people in the room. This lasted for awhile and eventually we got to the point of the exam. I should have left before this, but having three medical professionals standing in front of you telling you to do something while you feel vulnerable is a hard situation.
The next part is one that is causing me a lot of pain. After I got undressed and Dr. Jun, his PA, and a nurse all came back in, instead of performing an exam on me Dr. Jun retreated to the corner of the room. Suddenly his PA was the one between my legs, and Dr. Jun made clear he was not comfortable performing an exam on me.
I would have never showed up to see this doctor who had treated me so badly if I had known this was the case. I was only there due to being in severe pain and not being able to pee outside of my own home. When your quality of life is this bad you can forgive a lot to try to get the care you need.
I felt so ashamed with my legs wide open and my surgeon standing at a distance, unwilling to even examine his own work or take responsibility for these significant complications. I’m ashamed of my body, and looking at my genitals is now a reminder of broken promises and significant trauma.
I’ve said before that Dr. Jun is not the right doctor for anyone. I should have followed my own damn advice but I had imminent issues and setting up care with a new GCS surgeon takes a long time. But instead of receiving care I need, I saw a doctor who played the victim and made me feel ashamed of the genitals he had created. I’m broken over this experience, and it will take a lot of therapy and time to get over what has happened.
This man was allegedly verbally abused by this doctor, but still had his genital surgery with him. Obviously this TIM completely bought into the surgery scam, and he didn't follow his instincts. I don't normally feel bad for TIMs who get their penises operated on but this TIM must have some serious mental health issues, and now has physical issues .
Jun works for the Crane Center, and Crane is a well-known butcher.
Yeah, they're also known for "Salmacian" surgery. The Drs are creepy as fuck.
I can definitely see a difference, but not enough of one to undergo that many expensive surgical procedures. Never heard of contouring, maybe?
Are we still taking TIP's claims of verbal abuse seriously in 2023? Lmao, the surgeon probably told him he won't be able to get periods or look like an Instagram baddie in the recovery room- that's the threshold of "verbal abuse" for these lunatics.
And you gyns are really feeling broken hearted and sad for a sex predator in this thread. Did we forget who he is? A pervert, probably a pedo or rapist going off the data we KNOW about TIMs. I, for one, am NOT sad and brokenhearted for this sick disgusting pervert.
We don’t know he’s any of those things from his post history so I will not assume.
If you want to be callous and hateful that’s your decision but don’t press it on the rest of us.
I do take TIPs claims of verbal abuse seriously when the person they claim to have been abused by is a TRA and gender butcher.
Statistical probability says that TIPs are fragile flowers who cry "abuse" at the slightest disagreement with their idiotic beliefs .
However, probability also says that a surgeon who makes it his specialisation to butcher healthy genitals is likely not a good person. Nor necessarily honest enough to tell a patient in advance that gender butchery does not a woman make.
It is only human to feel sad for someone who had his genitals mangled if we don't know for sure that he is a rapist.
And well, the statistics also say that most predatory TIMs keep their penises. So the very fact that this guy had his penis chopped off speaks in his favour.
This is tragic.
Weeping in humiliated frustration while you plead for reassurance and medical attention from the surgeon who amputated your healthy sex organs and left you soaking yourself with urine over an excruciating constructed wound is not “you get what you pay for” karma for bad ideas.
This person is a victim of toxic ideology and predatory doctors that have profoundly damaged his body and stripped him of his ability to use the bathroom away from home, hopefully only for the short-term. Harrowing.
I would absolutely wave my magic wand and absolve all errors in judgment that led to this outcome, no questions asked. None of us should pay for our human frailty at the expense of our dignity or physical well-being.
I agree, this sounds horrible, and no one should be treated this way by a medical professional they should be able to trust.
Some years ago I went through multiple dental procedures on one tooth, just to have the dentist who treated me tell me that she'd have to pull it after all. I had been through weeks of quite frankly horrible pain while she tried saving that tooth, all for that being the end result. Which is why I might have reacted a little harshly to it in the moment. I didn't even accuse her of anything, it was something like "Seriously, I show up here x times and now you are telling me you have to pull it?". I was clearly in distress at the time.
Well, she went and got her boss (this was a joint practice) who proceeded to berate me immediately, basically telling me how it was all my own fault (for supposedly not coming in early enough) and showing absolutely zero empathy for someone in pain who might have overreacted. I left close to tears that day, feeling like absolute shit and humiliated, and never went back. Got the tooth pulled by a different dentist who still treats me to this day.
What I wanted to say with this little anecdote is: In my case it was "only" a tooth. Could be replaced, even if it was a hassle, and didn't ruin my entire life. I can't imagine what the OP of this reddit post must have felt like.
That’s an excellent and empathetic comparison. A surgeon standing at the edge of the room and callously refusing to examine his own patient’s exposed, damaged genitals for liability reasons is monstrous.