As far as I have observed this seems to be an unpopular take on Ovarit which I frankly found strange for a seemingly very radfem-aligned space. It's great to see women here from all kinds of backgrounds but I wish this was a more acceptable topic on this website.

Natalism and giving birth to a child is an inherently antifeminist and an antiwomen act. When you are conceiving a child there are two options of who you get: male(perperaror) and female(victim). You will either contribute more victims to be abused or more perpetrators of misogyny and violence on women to the world.

I've seen a lot of women say that they are raising their sons to be "not like other men" and "one of the good ones" but this is NOT possible. Most men are porn-addicted violent misogynists and yet you cannot tell me that all of them had bad upbringing, clearly some of them had great childhoods and yet still turned out this way. This is not a nature vs nurture thing, their nature makes them inherently more prone to violence and anger(testosterone) and their societal conditioning exacerbates the effects of it. You may be able to influence your male child until he reaches adolescence but after that there will be practically nothing you can do to undo the misogynistic conditioning. Who do you think teen boys listen to more, their male peers or their mommy? They are naturally prone to compete & try to fit in with their male peers and are most likely to be influenced by their views. Mommy's word about how he has to respect women means nothing when his best friend Jake was just saying his ex is a wh@re and calling all women shallow slvts.

I can hardly understand how you can call yourself a radical feminist, be aware of all the suffering and violence women have to go through every day, and yet still be okay with bringing a girl into this world. You are birthing a victim for males. Your daughter has a 97% chance of being assaulted by men in her lifetime and she will have to deal with constant sexualization and objectification just like every other female. If she chooses to date a man & get pregnant the chances of her facing DV and being murdered by her male partner increase dramatically. You can raise your daughter to be a feminist but this will not save her from the violence and cruelty of the world.

The game is rigged and there is no winning no matter what you get. I understand that there is a lot of joy to motherhood for some but the nuclear family is inherently oppressive to women. Choosing to put yourself into the position of fully submitting to a man & carrying his offspring to then most likely be forced to do most of the labor while your male partner reaps all the benefits is the ultimate submission to the patriarchy. It is what women are socially conditioned to do and the resistance to unpack it in some members of the site and women in general reminds me of libfems and their choice feminism. We shit on them for refusing to give up performative femininity & male worship under the guise of "choices" because it makes them uncomfortable and yet do literally the same thing. We have to unpack the societal conditioning that leads to our "choices" because they are never made in a vacuum. Feminism is supposed to be uncomfortable, if it is not, you are doing something wrong.

The end goal for feminism should IMO be full female separatism(4B). We cannot change males so the only way to gain advantage is to refuse to give access to our bodies and companionship to them. That is not to say that any partnered woman or woman with a child is not a "real feminist", no, but she has to understand the implications of her choices and how they affect women's fight for freedom. We shouldn't divide each other but we also should strive to critically analyze the way our society is structured. It is essential for upholding a patriarchal society that a woman has sex and reproduces. This is another case of individual "empowerment" undermining our collective liberation.

I dont think this is something that has to be spelled out but obviously my post has nothing to do with women who were forced into giving birth to a child. Also the dynamic would be different in a lesbian relationship but giving birth from a sperm donor is still immoral and cruel to the child.