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LampdarkerMarch 18, 2025(Edited March 18, 2025)

Casual sex has been a disaster for women wherever it has been promoted but abortion is a basic exercise of women's bodily autonomy and is vital to collective female wellbeing and economic power as a class.

pennygadgetMarch 18, 2025

Also, even if EVERYONE waited until they were married to have sex, abortion would still be necessary from time to time.

istaraMarch 18, 2025

Casual sex is not always a "disaster" for women - it depends what your personal desires and expectations are, and making sober judgements about sexual partners to minimise risk.

If you're pressured into it, sure, it's going to be a disaster.

But for some of us, we simply enjoy the physical act without the need for commitment or a deeper emotional engagement, at least at certain stages of our lives.

rkinMarch 18, 2025(Edited March 18, 2025)

She's not talking about you the individual or trying to hurt your feelings because you participate in casual sex.

It isn't about the individual, and you can make choices you think don't hurt you but hurt the group. (not much different than "it doesn't bother me for men to come in!" "BDSM is empowering me to handle my trauma") Liberal sex positivity is focused around women believing casual sex isn't harmful, and you're repeating that patriarchal idea, but it's harmful for women as a class and many individuals.

I'm glad you haven't been bothered yet. I had casual sex younger and got herpes. I also sexually traumatized myself by that same argument - that because I was terrified of emotional commitment, this was some acceptable version - and ended up having to unpack a lot about how I participated in my own degradation, objectification and use. Even if you feel you're using them, it's not the same way they are using you. I hope you're still confident about defending casual sex for women decades from now, but my decades of life experience humbled me to defending sex positivity to the greater feminist movement.

*edited to add - I got herpes when I got raped. I struggle with blaming myself still, 25 years later because I had a hard time saying it wasn't consensual because I couldn't remember clearly and was so casually sexual. Just a consequence I never would've considered.

istaraMarch 18, 2025(Edited March 18, 2025)

I had casual sex in my younger years and decades on I don’t look back with regret.

I am very sorry for what you went through. But sexual assault and rape happens regardless of casual sex or not.

Perhaps it depends what we both mean by “casual” sex. To me that means sex for fun without commitment, but not taking a casual attitude towards it as such. I was still selective about partners, I was always sober, I used birth control and condoms (1990s AIDS era) and I did it fairly infrequently.

Now even with all that, there is always risk. And not every encounter is electric. But I don’t look back with any remorse or regret, only gladness that I got to enjoy myself on my terms.

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Carrots90March 18, 2025

I do think that some conservative women think men will be better if there is less casual sex

I think they forget about porn

Men suck plenty in both countries with and without casual sex

I still think casual sex is not typically good for women as a whole, exceptions exist of course. And taking away rights is not the way to make things better for women

pennygadgetMarch 18, 2025

If someone is against casual sex and abortion, I fully support them living their values. They just shouldn't force those values on others via laws

And its never men who suffer when casual sex is vilified. Its always the women and children who suffer the consequences of that shame

CryingInYourInboxMarch 18, 2025(Edited March 18, 2025)

Yep. It's literally just them punishing people for not having sex with them by making sex very costly for everyone else. It's always been a mating strategy first and foremost. That being said I don't support casual sex. I'm not gonna make an effort to stop anyone but I'd strongly discourage it. When you think about it, you never regret not having sex with someone.

o3mta3oMarch 18, 2025

That took a study? They're saying it with their whole face all the time.

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