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When I was growing up, I was very much a tomboy and liked typical boys stuff. Around 12 years old when my boobs came in, I realized being a girl sucked in our society. I wished I was a boy, not because I actually wanted to be a boy but because I was now sexualized pretty much everywhere I went, even groped by strange men starting at 10. Boys had so much more agency and their bodies weren't constantly sexualized. They had support to do what they dreamed of and were encouraged to try new things.

Had I grown up under TRA ideology, they would've pushed me to be trans. When all I needed was support and acceptance to be a girl in our society which is what feminism gave me. Now TRA are trying to demonize feminism and retool it to focus on biological males. I really believe TRA are "woke" MRA.

When I was growing up, I was very much a tomboy and liked typical boys stuff. Around 12 years old when my boobs came in, I realized being a girl sucked in our society. I wished I was a boy, not because I actually wanted to be a boy but because I was now sexualized pretty much everywhere I went, even groped by strange men starting at 10. Boys had so much more agency and their bodies weren't constantly sexualized. They had support to do what they dreamed of and were encouraged to try new things. Had I grown up under TRA ideology, they would've pushed me to be trans. When all I needed was support and acceptance to be a girl in our society which is what feminism gave me. Now TRA are trying to demonize feminism and retool it to focus on biological males. I really believe TRA are "woke" MRA.

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They seem to include, among radfems’ many crimes (including “transphobia”), “misandry”. I’ve actually seen feminist spaces that claim that misandry isn’t a real thing make an exception for radfems, and even say that mothers oppressing their poor trans children is a rare example of women being bona-fide oppressors (although they still say the typical stuff about incels, the manosphere). I’ve actually seen similar stuff for gay men, like mothers treat their gay boys badly and this is an example of women oppressing men, but that’s usually come from people chomping at the bit to find ways that women are the bad guys, actually. And that seems to be decreasing recently.

I genuinely do not understand the cognitive dissonance TRAs have. They think they are being “progressive” by using sexist stereotypes to discern gender?

What is progressive about pushing a young girl with “stereotypically masculine interests” into surgery and hormones? They are SO close to getting it right but also somehow miss it by miles. Why can’t “masculine” girls simply just be masculine girls? Why MUST they become boys?

Gender ideology is riddled with such overt hypocrisy that I can’t help but assume TRAs are lacking serious cognitive abilities. How are they so blind?

[–] furyosa no, thank you 7 points

The blindness is introduced when they place gender as more real than sex. When they build their mental model of the world on that crumbling bedrock, everything built on top of that becomes shaky.

They don't have disonannce they perfectly function holding two different believes at the same time, they are comfortable like that and the good exception is always for themselves.

Nail on the head. I was a science kid, but at least I saw women on Star Trek, Curie and Sally Ride and all. As a second wave feminist, we still had a lot to do, as I ran headlong into the misogyny of STEM in college and beyond, unfortunately even having it kick me out of my field. But at least I had a chance! I had role models! I was able to volunteer and inspire younger girls! What do we have now? Stereotypes. Stereotypes everywhere. (And the bathrooms we fought for in the science building, they've gone back to men.)

Just a thought for the day, I’m gonna call MRAs re-skinned TRAs now. Since we always call TRAs re-skinned MRAs hahaha

Oh yea, TRA's and MRA's are definitely part of the same internet mano-sphere culture. If you put a TRA and an MRA together they might disagree on certain identity issues and key talking points, one might be more likely to vote republican and the other democrat, but if you dig deeper they share very similar core values and a semi-fascist rhetorical style that is hard to miss.

YH can confirm growing up with TRA ideology led me to believe at 14 that it was better if I was a boy not a tomboy. I remember being on tumblr looking at pictures of girls in binders and then looking up their prices. Thankfully I came to the conclusion that I can be a girl and like boys things so never went down a medical pathway thanks to my parents telling me so. I did end up being bisexual, which makes sense being a GNC child my entire childhood, most GNC children end up being gay. I really despair for my lesbian classmates, every single one ended up with a gender identity, it really feels like lesbians are going extinct in my generation.

[–] Dee 4 points

I never wished I was a boy. I don't know why. I probably "should have", considering I was raped before puberty, but I didn't. Probably because it never occurred to me that that was a thing you could wish for? If I'd grown up today, I'm not sure what would have happened.

The thing is, though, that you don't even need a reason. You just need to come across this stuff online, and there it is. Trans!

I saw a TIM on Twitter say that TERFs can up with the name “TRA”/“Tran’s Rights Activist” because it’s so close to “MRA”/“Men’s Rights Activist.”

Idk if that’s true or if that guy was being paranoid, but I hope he’s right because that’s pretty clever.

I don't think men want women to cut off their boobs though, that part doesn't match a world that men would want.

But otherwise the outcome of their actions certainly is a place where men have easier access to assault women and girls and take things that belong to women. Though I don't think it's intentional for a lot of them. The ones who have been swayed by emotion seem to really believe "trans" people are a set of people that are more marginalized and in pain than any other set of people.

I think the men who want women and girls to cut off the boobs are the men who are jealous of women and girls. Everyone should be horrified that non-trans people are being given drugs and surgeries even TIMs but we don't hear a thing.

[–] Evee_Era [OP] 0 points Edited

Good point. FtM adds another stepping stone in their destruction of woman so they can redefine and include themselves. The goal is to confuse kids so they can inject their TRA beliefs enough for transwomen to slip in and gain access.