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Posted February 23, 2025 by Estelle in WomensLiberation
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RueFebruary 23, 2025

How were these men not arrested for assault???

Estelle [OP]February 24, 2025

The sheriff was the one who was in charge of them. He was standing right there.

RueFebruary 24, 2025

That's honestly horrifying.

Estelle [OP]February 24, 2025

I wouldn't look up the video if you're triggered by male violence. It's really bad.

RueFebruary 24, 2025

Thank you for the warning, I will not watch it. I hope you had a nice day!

UberFebruary 24, 2025

I really wish I hadn't. I couldn't sleep last night, and every time my mind had a few seconds to wander today, I couldn't stop thinking about it. I'm truly terrified.

RueFebruary 24, 2025

I'm so sorry, it's awful that we as women have suffered so much from men that we have to warn others of video content like this. I truly hope you are able to be at ease soon, please treat yourself kindly.

UberFebruary 24, 2025

It feels like it shouldn't make sense. It's not that I'm afraid to go to sleep, but when I lay down, my mind is racing.

I'm sure it didn't help that I listened to a podcast episode last night on the third wave experiment done in the 60s. It "inspired" a German movie called Die Walle. I had no idea until last night that the movie was based on a true story. The "experiment" showed just how quickly children could succumb to fascism and not even realise it, and this was done to 15 year olds, and at the end of the experiment the teacher basically told the kids that they were no better than Nazis, they fell into fascism so easily.

This man allowed this ridiculous experiment to get so out of control, he convinced impressionable young minds that they were special now, they were a part of something now, they had the authority to be violent towards other kids who didn't want to follow along with the experiment, then to tell them they're basically Nazis. A lot of the kids cried, they were traumatised. He manipulated these kids for 5 days and then made them feel bad for falling victim to what HE did to them.

And then I saw the video of that woman being dragged out, people just sitting and watching, some clearly happy about what was being done to her. How complacent everyone was. And she won't be the last woman to be assaulted for speaking up.

I'm so horrified by the whole thing. I didn't know what I was getting myself into when I started listening to the podcast, and I had no idea, I should have known that what happened in the town hall would be distressing. I guess I thought "did they REALLY actually drag this woman on the ground?" for some reason I was skeptical, I don't know why.

But sure as hell, pulled down from where she was sitting and literally being dragged away, I just can't believe it.

All of these men are becoming more and more emboldened by one another's behavior, how many people have done their Nazi salute on video now? And what can we do? Call who? Why would they care? Everyone is getting fired and replaced by sadistic yes-men who make up their own rules, pick and choose which laws matter and which ones don't, I am so overwhelmed by it all.

I'm overwhelmed and exhausted, and I don't know if I'm being overly sensitive/dramatic, or if my feelings are totally normal. What is normal?

I just want to puke my guts up.

Estelle [OP]February 24, 2025

You're not overreacting, believe me. I know a lot of people will say you are, but those are the same people who will sit quietly and watch a woman be dragged away for speaking out of turn.

I don't know if you use Threads at all, but there's a woman I follow there with the handle @fakeadultmom who's been posting chapters of a book she's writing about resisting authoritarianism and it's an incredible resource. Concrete, realistic, actionable ideas that give me some measure of hope.

We need to lean on each other now. And yes, that will mean trusting and relying on people who are still buying into TRA bullshit. Take what is useful, discard the rest. Your focus will have to be on surviving.

backslashgarbagefileFebruary 24, 2025

I read your comment and realized Die Welle sounded familiar—I was shown the American 1981 “the wave” in middle school, it’s based on the same book. I also remember being shocked it was based on a real story because I thought the outcome didn’t seem possible and was exaggerated for cinema. They were so quickly and easily manipulated.

Since then I’ve grown up—it is that easy to turn a group of people to cult behavior. I had the same thought watching the video of the woman being dragged out. They just acted like it was normal when it definitely wasn’t, like, yesterday. Their minds turned, and easily.

RueFebruary 24, 2025

Your feelings are valid. You see the terrible inhumanity in the world and it effects you because you are an empathetic, kind human being. I try to read uplifting news when my mood gets like that, I spend a few dollars on temu to earn coins to feed kitties on a stray cat app. Surround yourself in news of human kindness, I can tell you are a wonderfully caring person.